thanks for your input & putting you time into this, there're some usefull tips in here
the volume settings is something I can't really translate to a all-software setup, so if people have more tips concerning that, I'd be happy to see those get posted. ------------------------ On 2 Jan 2002, at 11:19, Daniel Norman wrote: > Hi all and happy new year, > > In response to Jurgen's mail, I've been using my 3 compressors for a few > months now (Alesis 3630, Alesis Nanocompressor and a Behringer Ultrafex > Multiband) and a couple of things have become apparent. This stuff mainly > applies to the 3630 as it is a generic type and its my most useful tool for > mashing breaks and basslines into shape whereas I find the other 2 are still > very good but better for ironing out the main mix (Behringer) or pads and > noises (Nano) etc. > > 1) Always try to use mono bass, breaks, hits and hats etc - it sounds far > better and for smaller, basic studios it allows you to use individual > channels on a compressor for the beats and bass (see below) - nice and cheap > for budgets > > 2) Combining the beats and the bass on the same compressor channel(s) will > make the beats pump in and out as the bass drags the volume of the beats > down everytime it activates the compressor(this might possibly sound good to > some ears but doesn't make for a very solid, constant sound and this is what > the whole point of compression is - ie most people would avoid this on the > main elements of a track, but it could possibly be used creatively on less > critical sounds). > > 3) Even if you only have one compressor on 2 channel inserts to your mixer - > use it in dual mono mode and have the beats on one side (channel) and the > main bass in your tune on the other one and compress them separately (just > play round with the controls - if it sounds good - do it). I guess most > people know this, but if you are new to this area - please do this and then > try telling me it doesn't make your tune 100% more solid, controllable and > driving than before. Plus each sound (bass and beats) is entirely separate > from the other intrusive influence so they sit better in the mix. Job done > for �70. Just one basic compressor (Alesis, dbx or Behringer etc )used like > this will make a world of difference to a basic setup. > > The problem of conflicting low frequencies between the bass and the drums > will never be eliminated by separate compression (whole different ballgame) > but it will allow you enough control to the extent you dont have to worry > about it so much. Use the mixer eq to sort it out - cut the bass on the > breaks. > Drums usually have lighter compression round about 2:1 whereas the bass > might need to be squashed down with a 4:1 ratio and try a lower output > volume for that subtle sub damage - or try this with both sides set up with > the same. > Both sounds generally need fast attack and fast release settings so the > sounds stay punchy and the comp keeps up with each new sound. > For beats and bass, use Peak mode not RMS as it then responds to each new > sound in turn not the overall level (more responsive) and just try soft or > hard knee compression for personal taste (might not be that much audible > difference) > For the threshold settings, first try at 0dB or just under so that all the > sounds are affected and then experiment... > > With the volumes, use max volume on all your synth modules/samplers main > controls, then put all the faders at 0dB on the mixer and use the trim until > your loudest sounds are just about peaking red. This sets the mixer up so > that all dynamics processing (comp and EQ) inserted into the mixer is > working at full efficiency. When this is done, have a listen to the set up > at a normal volume with nothing playing - you shouldn't hear any hiss as > this sometimes comes from trim levels set too high on a mixer channel. > > I could go on, but i'll leave it till next time and besides, i have to get > back to trying to learn AutoCad. > Hope the stuff above makes a difference (unless you have already tried it). > Still it might be useful to others... > > Laters > > > Dan > > Jeez, I can;t believe i just had 10 days off work - its like i never > left....bah > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jurgen Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 21 December 2001 06:11 > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > Subject: [dnb-prod] More volume issues > > > > Thanx for all the tips on my previous bassline volume problem, > after reading a detailed article on intermusic.com I'm sort of beginning to > grasp what > compression is all about, > > now I've got another volume related question for y'all, > > I got that bass in check with a compressor, and I'm doing the same for some > a simple > break I put on top to get a feel. > Both don't clip when played seperatly, but when I play tjem together I see > my metres go > red, meaning nasty clipping. > I understand why this happens, cause both drums and bass have overlapping > parts in the > spectrum, but I'm wondering what's the best way of solving this. > > I tried putting compression on the whole thing, but that seems to push the > drums to the > background. > > Generaly I'd like to know how you guys deal with volume settings while > you're developing > a track. I like to play my stuff out loud when I'm making it, which means I > tend to put > the volume of each channel up as high as possible, which might not be such a > good thing > to do. > I'm thinking it might be better of turning my speakers up, or my pulling my > wav-channel > to the max on my soundcard, and make sure the metres don't go over 2/3's in > FL itself. > > Ideas, reflections, hard earned experience? > Let me know :) > > > > --- > ICQ #: 3362938 > > "progress doesn't come from early risers, > progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" > > --- > > --- > Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk > You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > DISCLAIMER: The Information in this message is confidential and may be > legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this > message by anyone else is unauthorised. 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