I can agree with many of your points Kyril, I was never about money and profits in anything I had said before. You should have come and talked to me in person about this, then you would have been able to observe my personality in much more dimension than email allows. To make a judgement about someone's intent and personality when you just know them from emails is off base, right?
For the sake of your topic though, we should definately separate [profits] from [covering costs]. Holding sets and studio production costs money, this we know. This is money that should be re-couped by your events and publications. If it is money that is easily come by in the case of drug dealing, or allowance from rich parents, or money found on the side of the street, then there may not be a huge desire to see this money well spent. This is not the case here for either of us as far as I know. Music Biz 101, this is whats behind CDs, Clubs, and even Underground Music. Though, I believe there is no problem with someone having a desire to making a living of of dooing something they love to do, I am not even touching on that right now. We are simply talking about covering costs and breaking even. Any money encountered as profits is always dumped right back into vinyl and hardware anyway. When you are just beginning as well, its all good to accept a loss from carrying a new project as long as it does not drag you under financially. If you have your own sources of financing, such as a day job or rich parents, or even sellin bootay on the streets, anyone with wisdom will want that money to be well applied, to something that will grow. This is why its not greed that drives the desire for income, its that the money being spent is hard earned, therefore you must be careful with what you spend it on. It is not evil or even [corprate] for an individual to have this kind of thought because its simply the process of staying affloat and keeping the operations alive. My posts and messages are not a call to all, they are mere fishing lines to try to pull the non-cynical, and non-jaded personalities out of the silent masses here. Its worked so far. That is all..Respect...>Winterman >From: Ricky Ricardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Charles.Bimba-contractor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >"The Winternett Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dcdnb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >dnb-prod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [dcdnb] RE: Haterz.... >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:11:17 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [130.85.253.52] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE7C96A300B240042A188255FD34967C0; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:14:29 -0700 >Received: from webmail (webmail.umbc.edu [130.85.5.29])by mx2out.umbc.edu >(8.12.0/8.12.0/UMBC-Central 1.7 mxout 1.2.2.2 $) with ESMTP id >g39KBIib026321;Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:15:19 -0700 >X-WebMail-UserID: krevel2 >Sender: Ricky Ricardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002897 >Message-ID: <3CB5DCCD@webmail> >X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 > >Dude, I respect what you're trying to do w/ the dnb community here, but in >all >honesty, you're preaching to the choir. > >We would ALL like to see DnB blow up one day. Hell, we have some of the >hottest producers signed to this very list right now, trying to do just >that. >So basically, what you're doing is neither new, nor different...which is >mainly why everyone isn't falling all over themselves to be a part of it. >Like you said yourself...you're an individualist. In that respect, so are >many of us. Most promoters would prefer working alone or with friends to >help >make these events happen, not somebody giving an "all-call" on a public >mailing list. As you probably know there's alot at stake when your putting >on >events and until you have money to just blow on parties, "high-risk" >probably >won't be part of your immediate vocabulary. > >I can tell you, personally, why I didn't choose to attend the "networking >meeting"...and it sure as hell wasn't out of close-mindedness. I get wary >when I hear people talk about money as much as you have. If you love the >music so much, why does money have to factor in so heavily to what you're >doing? Whether you make $5 or $50,000 off your tracks/DJing....would you >love >what you are doing any less? It's almost like you suggest watering down >tracks to make them more paletable, and marketable....and I believe I've >alredy been down this road once with you before. > >There have been people out there, busting their asses for YEARS trying to >do >something as simple as getting DnB into *A* club, let alone the thousands >of >clubs around the country where you can hear it every night of the week. >Every >crew is working towards that same common goal, and judging what has been >acheived over the past 5 years alone, I'd say we're all doing a pretty darn >good job at it. We don't need to combine forces here....if it ain't broke >don't fix it bruv > >-Kyril > > > > >===== Original Message From "The Winternett Group" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >===== > >Hey Chuck, > > > >Well to those that know me, I was never big on diplomacy and caution. In >my > >opinion, no one who succeeds ever is. I try to always tell it like it is. >If > >people fear or hate on the success of others in DC, I can't help that. I > >honestly believe that success on my part does not mean a loss on theirs. >But > >its hard to convince people of that. > > > >Some of the people I had encountered resistance from are the same people >who > >did not show up to the networking night that I humbly asked people to >come > >to earlier. In it I talked with a lot of people about this as wellas many >of > >my future plans. I even said on this list that I was planning a full >night > >of D&B. The most support I had recieved for my plans was from people who > >were'nt even affiliated with this list and people who did not currently >work > >in DC D&B crews. Don't get me wrong, Cap City said they would be happy to > >put out my flyers, the Tangent folks are cool, many people from the list > >like you & I talk as freinds, John Tab from the Buzz crew was the one who > >told me that I should join this list; But the US D&B movement goes beyond > >the crews that are already establised and the people on this list. > > > >I remember that when I first wanted to do the networking night how others > >said they had never heard of me. I already had produced 5 D&B Hip-Hop & > >House music CDs, I had been playing D&B at Heaven & Hell for over a year >and > >advertizing my events for at least 5 months before that on the D&B list > >here. Noone from the list had stopped into Heaven&Hell from the list back > >then. Maybe this all is due to a little close mindedness, possibly my bad > >marketing, or even just everyone being too busy. But its hard to get > >people's attention these days. But still, I had been in operation before >I > >even knew about other D&B crews in DC, independently, I am used to > >functioning this way. > > > >I realize that anyone will always face a dominant force when you do this > >sort of thing. My approach is not to compete, I know & respect many >people > >from the Buzz staff, I have met the Tangent folks and love their focus, I > >know many in the Hip-Hop and House venues I used to play in and support. >I > >also have a lot of respect for everyon in the DC music community, that >why I > >always market my work and projects humbly. Knowing and having repsect for > >these events and people does not however, supress my desire to produce, >play > >out live, and to create a community of my own, and if they blend with >other > >communities or even involve others, tehn thats even better. > > > >My old ads for Heaven & Hell used to even say that I would have rather >been > >at Buzz on many big D&B nights. But though I have respect for them, I >have > >heavy aspirations for D&B in the US too. In order for D&B to grow we need >to > >make more open doors. My only sales tactic is to let my product [the >music] > >sell itself. There are tons of House music events going on in the city on > >every given night, that does not mean that each of them do not have their > >own crowd and success. Though House has become sort of a mainstream music > >form, the house underground survives and flourishes on the money made >from > >the above ground work. > > > >I would like to see Drum&Bass get the better part of this kind of success >so > >that there will be more choices for D&B events during the week, this kind >of > >selection will also boost production of D&B in the US, bringing well >earned > >money to US producers and the D&B community. > > > >Many clubs have started events in House Music and some of them have >failed > >moved and succeeded through the years, but thats all the tricks and >trades > >of the business, as it will be with D&B. I have no problems with putting > >together a D&B night on any night during the week because of this. When >you > >do your own things you cannot help having people like and dislike your > >actions, you can only explain why you did what you did and feel >comfortable > >as long as you were humble. Thats why I tried to reach out to those >already > >working in DC, to make friends, not enemies. Even though I would be >grateful > >and welcoming for an invitation to play at other events in DC, I am not > >going to wait to be invited to them. I'm gonna start my own thang. > > > >I am usually the type to create my own informal and casual scene. I work > >well with others when they are receptive to me. I always try to stay >humble > >unless someone criticizes my intentions or actions. I hope this gives you >a > >better picture of my personality and love for the > >music.................Respect......>Winterman > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dcdnb mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://lists.ffwd.cx/mailman/listinfo/dcdnb > > > >FFWD internet - web hosting, custom programming and more - www.ffwd.cx > > Winternett Technologies http://www.winternett.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --- Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [email protected] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
