pretty much right on the nose... the other great thing about using logic for mixdowns is that you can really see the levels for each channel side by side which you can't do if you tend to take up a lot of mixer space in Reason (which I tend to do especially from using Redrum)...
Yes, the compression sounds MUCH better IMO... you can exert far more control over it. Not to mention Logic opens to door to utilizing VSTis in your Reason tracks as well if you Rewire them :) ~andy > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Norman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:01 AM > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Mixing down > > > Hi matt > > Well, Reason has significantly less scope for EQing the tracks > (Logic has up to 4 adjustable, known as parametric EQ bands on > each audio channel, but if I remember right, Reason has 2 fixed > band EQs and less scope on dynamics per channel?) and also Logic > has much better sounding (apparently - don't flame me) FX and > compression/limiting/gating etc... > > As a user of Logic Platinum I am guessing this is why you would > rewire to Logic from Reason... > I haven't really used Reason very much, but these are the reasons > I have heard as to why people do this. > > On the other hand, you seem to be starting out, so I advise you > to totally learn Reason inside out first in order to learn how to > arrange and program the synths, samplers etc to make the tunes > you want to hear before trying to master stuff too much... > > Reason software should be more than capable at least until you > have 3 or 4 solid tunes ready that you know rock the house... > > Walk before running... > > Easy > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnson, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 19 February 2003 09:09 > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Mixing down > > > ok, here's another question (as I am a complete beginner!) > > can't you make the whole track in Reason?? > why do you need to export it to Logic? > > am I a bit thick, or what??? > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Steiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:24 PM > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Mixing down > > > trust, you are the f*cking man :) > > -josh > > -- > ____________________________________________________ > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > > > > Trust wrote: > > >Whew... > > > >Ok, not sure where to start on this one. You've been getting a > fair bit of > >misinformation along way, but at least you're asking the right questions. > > > >1. Mono vs. Stereo => > > > >Beginners get hung up on this one a lot, but it's really fairly simple. > The > >best advice is use your eyes and ears. Take a look at the waveforms and > >listen carefully. If the sound source (drums, pads, whatever) is exactly > >the same right and left then you might as well convert the file > to mono and > >save space. IF, however the right side has different content > then the left > >side, AND this is something you want to keep...then keep the file stereo. > > > >Once you bring the file into Logic you have to consider the same question > >again for each track. For every audio track in logic you have > to designate > >it as a Stereo track or a mono track. If you put a stereo wav > file onto a > >mono audio track then the output is still going to be mono. If you put a > >stereo wav onto a stereo track then, the output will replicate the L/R > >balance of the original wav. If you put a mono file onto a stereo track > >then the output will be stero, but there is really no point > (since the left > > >side and right side are the same) UNLESS you are going to add stereo > effects > >on top (such as stereo delays, phasers, etc). In such case, the final > >output of the track will indeed have stereo qualities. > > > >Rule of thumb-wise, drums are almost always mono. Vocals, pads are often > >stereo -> there is usually some L/R differences in vocal recordings that > >will add some spaciousness and depth to the sound. For anything that is > >going to end up on vinyl, all bass parts should be mono. This includes > >basslines, kick drums, subs, etc. This is because of the well documented > >fact that any panning of the bass will often cause cutting needles and > >record needles to skip. This shouldnt bother you too much > because i doubt > >you really want your kick drums galloping back and forth across > the stereo > >field. > > > > > > > > > >>Question 2: How can I lower the volume of these peaks without losing > >>dynamics? > >> > >> > > > >By definition, you cant. The definition of "dynamics" is the difference > >between the loudest parts and the quietest parts. If you lower > the volume > >of the peaks, then you have reduced the dynamics. Period. That > said, you > >probably *do* need to lower the volume of those peaks and compression is > >usually a good tool for this. Quite often however i will go in and lower > >peaks by hand in my audio editor (soundforge, etc.) > > > >Re: Dithering > > > >You dont need to manually dither any of you working files. At all. All > >dithering does is reduce to file to a specified bit rate. In > fact, Reason > >dithers each of your files when you export to wav. That's why > it gives you > >a choice of 16bit output, 24 bit, etc. What it is doing is > *dithering* your > >file to 16bits, or 24bits, etc. Some limiting tools, such as Waves L1 > >Ultramaxizer applying dithering. If you are using the L1 as the > final step > >in mastering then this However, the effects for dithering are generally > >unnoticeable. You dont really need to worry much about this for now. > > > > > > > >>Question 3: Once I have all my master .wav files laid out and ready to > mix, > >>would I need to apply any Equalization *during* the mix? The > only parts of > >>the track I've applied any EQing to are drums and vocals. I've > heard that > >>for soft synths you don't need to apply any EQing per se, but I am > >>skeptical. I'd just like to make sure that I don't do something > unnecessary > >>if it can be avoided. > >> > >> > > > >Oh boy...feel free to shoot your friends. EQ is a completely subjective > >thing. This is where you decide how you want everything to sound. > Applying > >EQ is like adding (or subtracting) flavor. To say that soft synths dont > >need EQ is like someone telling you that potatoes dont need any > salt. How > >the hell do they know??? > > > >EQ is what you use to shape each sound. It definately more art then > science > >and depends a lot of subjective decision of how you want everything to > >sound. However, your goals should definately be to create a fairly > balanced > >mix of high/mid/lo frequencies so you have to pay careful > attention to how > >each sound effects that balance. > > > > > > > >>Question 4 (possibly a subset of question 3): Do I need to separate the > >>different components into discrete frequency ranges using EQing / > >> > >> > >filtering? > > > >Expanding on the above, this is sort of the general idea. Pick > out a freq. > >range of where each sound is doing it's bizness then accentuate those > >frequencies and strip away the rest. Go too far however and you quickly > >lose the naturalness and depth to your sounds. It's always a balancing > act. > >Like i said: more art then science, but that's the general idea. > > > >The best thing you can do is jump in with both feet. You'll > learn the most > >by doing and each mix is likely to be better than the last. Grab some > > >professional tracks that you feel are good comparison material > and see how > >close you can get your mix to sound, soncially. If any of your > friends are > >fluent in Logic then see if you can get them to take a stab a mixdown as > >well as doing your own. You can learn alot just by seeing what someone > >else's take on your mix. > > > >hope this helps, > >trust > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk > >You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > --- > Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk > You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk > You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > > --- > Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk > You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [email protected] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
