> well, here's what _can_ assure that the transition will be at least > not complete hell and requiring a total abandonment of devuan for > debian and vice-versa (i.e. a total and complete wipe-down of a hard > drive and a reinstall from scratch):
Why do you say that? I use parts of stable/testing/unstable/experimental debian with parts of ubuntu and mint just fine without having to clear my system. Why would i need to wipe it for Devuan? --Gravis On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >>> is it the intent of the devuan team to: >>> >>> (a) create a "fork" which will always, at all times, without fail, >>> require that a debian repo be placed in /etc/apt/sources.list >>> >>> or >>> >>> (b) create a "fork" of the *entire debian package repository*, such >>> that it will end up over time to be as completely incompatible with >>> debian as ubuntu is today. > >> Luke, I don't know what Devuan will be in 5 years, I don't even know >> if it will still exist by then, and I think nobody can assure you that >> the transition to and from Devuan from and to anything else will be >> smooth and easy and straightforward and painless. > > well, here's what _can_ assure that the transition will be at least > not complete hell and requiring a total abandonment of devuan for > debian and vice-versa (i.e. a total and complete wipe-down of a hard > drive and a reinstall from scratch): > > you - the devuan team - can choose option (a) above (a fork that > always simply replaces key packages and nothing else) instead of > option (b) above (a fork that is equivalent to ubuntu and is > *intended* to become completely incompatible with debian). > >> Before a few months ago I had never thought that I could ever been >> forced to leave Debian after about 15 years of using and loving it. > > likewise. > >> I >> hope that eventually we will see a happy ending to this story, but I >> don't have good feelings about that. I am concretely scared that the >> whole Debian project might crumble, piece by piece, under the axe of >> "progress" and "usability", and with it most of its derivatives and >> companions. > > well, that's why i feel that it should be obvious that it is the > responsibility and duty of the devuan team to implement option (a) as > a means to replace key strategic packages with ones that you feel will > ensure that debian may be made stable through the simple process of > adding a single line to /etc/apt/sources.list and issuing an upgrade > command. > >> For me it's either having a (possibly Debian-like) functioning and >> fuss-free GNU/Linux, which I can tinker with as like and I have done >> so far, or going somewhere else, e.g. to FreeBSD. > > that's an option i'm giving serious consideration to. > > l. > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng --Gravis On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >>> is it the intent of the devuan team to: >>> >>> (a) create a "fork" which will always, at all times, without fail, >>> require that a debian repo be placed in /etc/apt/sources.list >>> >>> or >>> >>> (b) create a "fork" of the *entire debian package repository*, such >>> that it will end up over time to be as completely incompatible with >>> debian as ubuntu is today. > >> Luke, I don't know what Devuan will be in 5 years, I don't even know >> if it will still exist by then, and I think nobody can assure you that >> the transition to and from Devuan from and to anything else will be >> smooth and easy and straightforward and painless. > > well, here's what _can_ assure that the transition will be at least > not complete hell and requiring a total abandonment of devuan for > debian and vice-versa (i.e. a total and complete wipe-down of a hard > drive and a reinstall from scratch): > > you - the devuan team - can choose option (a) above (a fork that > always simply replaces key packages and nothing else) instead of > option (b) above (a fork that is equivalent to ubuntu and is > *intended* to become completely incompatible with debian). > >> Before a few months ago I had never thought that I could ever been >> forced to leave Debian after about 15 years of using and loving it. > > likewise. > >> I >> hope that eventually we will see a happy ending to this story, but I >> don't have good feelings about that. I am concretely scared that the >> whole Debian project might crumble, piece by piece, under the axe of >> "progress" and "usability", and with it most of its derivatives and >> companions. > > well, that's why i feel that it should be obvious that it is the > responsibility and duty of the devuan team to implement option (a) as > a means to replace key strategic packages with ones that you feel will > ensure that debian may be made stable through the simple process of > adding a single line to /etc/apt/sources.list and issuing an upgrade > command. > >> For me it's either having a (possibly Debian-like) functioning and >> fuss-free GNU/Linux, which I can tinker with as like and I have done >> so far, or going somewhere else, e.g. to FreeBSD. > > that's an option i'm giving serious consideration to. > > l. > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
