Here is just one example of what I am referring to.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

I don't understand where you got child pornography from.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Gravis" [rin...@adaptivetime.com]
Date: 03/04/2015 09:16 PM
To: "Ed Ender" <skae...@excite.com>
CC: "dng@lists.dyne.org" <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

> Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I 
> have no real say in the matter.
> That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government 
> agencies.

ties to which government agencies?  such as what, getting hacked by
the NSA?  reporting child pornography to the FBI as legally required
by law?

--Gravis


On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Ed Ender <skae...@excite.com> wrote:
> Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I 
> have no real say in the matter.
> That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government 
> agencies.
>
> Just my 2 cents!
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "T.J. Duchene" [t.j.duch...@gmail.com]
> Date: 03/04/2015 06:14 PM
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is
>
>
> On 03/04/2015 01:25 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>>> I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use
>>> >the re-branded Mozilla products.
>>> >
>>> >As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the
>>> >Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG
>>> >(https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines). Or the other
>>> >way around? Sorry, I don't really understand licensing.
>>> >
>>> >Is Devuan going to use the exact same guideline? If not,is there any
>>> >plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is in the future,
>>> >especially Firefox and Thunderbird?
>
> If I recall correctly - which I may not be - the problem was that if
> Debian wanted to use the Firefox name and logo, then Firefox must
> approve every patch in advance, even security updates.  Debian said that
> was/is ridiculous so they were not allowed to use the logo or the name
> for any Mozilla software.
>
> Quite frankly, I agree with that stance. It is stupid. But it is also
> understandable.  Mozilla does not want to be blamed for a bad patch they
> had nothing to do with.
>
> If I might offer an alternative suggestion?  I'd rather see Devuan
> default to Chromium with NAPI support than use Firefox, period.   As for
> Thunderbird, I see no reason to use Mozilla's version.  Unless things
> have changed since I last heard, it undermaintained anyway. Mozilla was
> going to sunset the entire project, but outcry stop them.  As far as I
> know, they update it with new versions of XUL but do little else.
>
> I don't think it has had new features not related to keeping up with
> Firefox in over five years.
>
> t.j.
>
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