On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 04:31:47PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > KatolaZ, > > > [T.J. ] What I said was: " It should be important to note that a segfault > can be caused by any number of things, that can be unrelated to systemd > itself. I do grant you that systemd has its share of undesirables, but it > could be exposing a flaw in the lower libraries as well. A lot of the > time, the glibc library is also to blame. If there was ever any piece of > software on Linux that needs a serious overhaul, beyond X11, it is the libc > and GCC suite. " > > I said that systemd COULD be (not IS) be exposing a flaw in lower libraries > (which is not unreasonable to say, given that it DOES happen).
I still don't get the relationship between segfaults in systemd and quirks in glibc, so I am sorry but your statement remains unclear and unsubstantiated, IMHO. Anyway, the fact that systemd depends on mamy more libraries than sysv-init is exactly why we don't want systemd as PID 1, controlling everything from mounting of devices to networking to logging. It is just a single point of fault with too many potential (and actual) reasons that can cause it to fail. If something goes wrong somewhere and X11 segfaults (which I think does not happen more than once in a few decades, at least with the stable version of Xorg), then we might complain and make a fuss, but in the end is not that big deal. Having systemd as PID 1 segfaulting is a completely different story, and blaming other libraries does not help systemd acquiring more credibility. PID1 *cannot* segfault, or we are just back to the dark days of BSODs. Fullstop. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
