Hi! As a honest feedback:
Currently I do not read much of the threads here. Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or infecting people´s systems. It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems. What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having to put up with systemd at some point. Yet, at any time it has been upstream developers or package maintainers who *decided* to adopt it. Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to it, is in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd" efforts like Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of such projects, cause it gives the impression that those projects just consists of a bunch of people who circulate conspirations theories about systemd *without* doing *anything* about the situation. So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that systemd developers essentially mean it good. They have no evil plans to take over the world or do harm to others. Instead they believe that what they do is worthwhile. Of course its totally and perfectly okay not to agree with that. But please stop assuming intentions that may or may not be there. And for your own benefit, stop using a language which gives your power away. systemd is no cancer and it does not infect systems. If systemd is on your system, either you installed it or upgraded it and your distro package maintainers decided to use it. So systemd developers, if you agree with it or not, had quite some success in convincing others to use and rely on systemd. Yet this is exactly what makes Devuan possible: If you put some effort to it, like for example Jude does without engaging much into the fear based threads so far as I have seen, *it is perfectly possible to have a system without systemd*. And no systemd whatsoever would infect such a system. It just doesn´t have the power to do it. Its a piece of code. It has no power whatsoever on its own. Its no evil critter which just sits next to computer and waits for a chance to take it over. And if you are constructive and positive in your approach, and your systems provides a good alternative, then more may adopt it in the future. Yes, some upstream developers decided to rely on functionality provided by systemd and some depend on it, instead of making it optional. And yes, I see this development with concern. But it is still a decision. No automatic effect. systemd has absolutely and totally *no* power over you. systemd upstream has absolutely and totally *no* power over you. I want to repeat this: Neither systemd nor systemd upstream have any power over you. This is still *free* software. Stop giving your power away. Instead: Claim it. Claim it by using a language that is free of self- defeating patterns like that. A language that puts back the responsibility in your hands. Feel your fear, appreciate it, and by that unlock the power you locked down in it. You have any power in the world to support any efforts to have a systemd free system. So now choose: In what way do you want to spend your energy? Did any of the talk about systemd being a cancer or infecting people´s system do *any* good to change the situation? Did it work? Or do efforts like the one of Jude with vdev any good to change the situation? Does it work? Do more of what works, and instead of repeating patterns that are ineffective in changing your current situation, do something that works as well. Or if you do not want to invest the time, let others do it and be grateful about it instead of filling this list with powerless and self-defeating thought patterns. (That said I think cancer usually is no death sentence either and there are quite powerful approaches in addition or as alternative to academic medicine to deal with it. And I believe that there are ways to help the body to deal with any kind of infection.) Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
