On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 04:52:44PM +0000, Noel Torres wrote: [cut]
> > Because it is so intrincately depended on by the core of a Debian > system that we can not simply "get Debian and remove the systemd > bits". We owe our users a truly systemd-free system, and that's why > we are here, but we do not owe them a systemd-forbidding system. > > We are building a distribution, and as such we make decisions and > set defaults. But the user is in the wheel, not us. There is where > Debian failed us. > > Do I want systemd in my boxes? For sure not, but I still want to be > free to choose "yes" inside Devuan, exactly the same I'm free to > shout some political views on the street. It's a matter of freedom, > not a matter of forbidding. Devuan gives me the choice, and I will > chose "No systemd, thanks". > > As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your > distribution, and will always be. But if you want a system designed > to be unable to run systemd, please leave us. This is not the place > for such an anti-freedom POV. > I totally agree with the spirit of your post, but you would reckon that such a variety (in terms of init choices, for instance) is bound to the availability of a sizable cohort of developers. The problem of systemd IMHO is that of introducing in GNU/Linux an *indispensable* piece of software which is hard to remove and replace, and this is something that I am sure most of the community, including the systemd-fanboys, will regret to have done, sooner or later. That's why I believe it is fundamental to have a systemd-free distro, in order to confirm that nothing is *indispensable* in a unix environment... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng