Le 06/05/2015 19:49, Anto a écrit :
On 06/05/15 10:23, Didier Kryn wrote:
Dear devuaners,
Debatting wether Devuan should allow systemd usage or forbid it
completely, or wether it should eradicate systemd service files from
all packages is interesting, but for sure prematurate. Let's discuss
that when someone proposes to do the job.
Up to now nobody has proposed to eradicate those service files
from all packages except for himself and nobody has proposed to
package systemd for Devuan. And, as already said, there are more
important things to do if you have the necessary skills.
Please let's stop exchanging flames in vain.
Didier
Hello Didier,
When I started this thread, I genuinely asked technical question
related to what I am doing in removing systemd's files from Debian
sources of some packages. I am quite sure that I didn't propose or
demand that to be implemented in Devuan. I am doing that all solely
for myself.
But I have to admit that I got emotionally pulled into the discussion
about the plan to include systemd into Devuan. Yes, I am quite sure
that has been proposed in this thread. That really caught me by
surprised.
Maybe that proposal was mentioned before and I missed it or I have not
yet joined this mailing list. But if you remember, I started the
thread
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150317.200049.9c210008.en.html
about 2 months ago. One of my purposes is to understand whether
systemd will be included into Devuan or not. I got the impression that
it will never happen as everybody seem to agree on that .
So I think it is good to have this kind of discussions, even I don't
usually contribute due to the lack of my knowledge in the detail bits
and pieces of Linux. As it proves that we can have better
understanding of what is actually going on behind the scene,
especially if the sources came from the core Devuan people.
Cheers,
Anto
Dear Anto,
Your question was technical and my answer too but I got the feeling
it triggered this very long political discussion. I more or less agree
with the two opposed POVs and I remember that almost the same debate
happened two or three months ago on practically the same subject.Hence
the suggestion to stop it.
Le 06/05/2015 20:47, Nextime a écrit :
The official position is: we will support anything that can be packaged without
hijacking the whole system to be installed. Actually systemd doesn't match this
requirement, so, devuan will not support it as long it doesn't radically
change. Anyway we will not intentionally obstacle anyone that eventually want
to use it outside officia devuan release.
Dear Nextime,
This statement is balanced and sensible. I suggest it be written
somewhere on the web site of Devuan, so that when this question arises
again, the answer be simply a link to the official statement e basta.
Kindly yours.
Didier
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