On 06/03/2015 11:37 AM, Laurent Bercot wrote: > > about licensing purity. >
and: > But whatever you do, don't paternalize the users. There's nothing more > infuriating than an infantilizing message in the way of what you want to > do. > and: > Your users chose Devuan: they already have made a good choice. and: > do not disrespect them by force-feeding them moralistic crap they don't > care about and that will only antagonize them. > *** I must I was almost agreeing until "moralistic crap". This is your opinion, and in my own, an unfounded one. What we're talking about here is about technology, not moralistic anything. The technology we're building is one that empowers the user, and it is arguable whether considering the imposition of freedom-restricting technology empowers the use or not. The case is hardware that the user buys and that refuses to work without secret code from the company. Would you buy a car if the seller would tell you that you will need to use their own specific fuel and tires, and only drive highways? Of course not, because you buy a mean of transport, not an universal ticket for free transportation. If Devuan is to replace Debian in its role of a foundation for free software distribution, then it needs to be closer to Debian, not to Ubuntu. And since we have the opportunity to discuss the matter, I'm for a "core" distribution of free software, that enables anyone to build upon that core, including softening its edges and allow it to enable self-rendition to proprietary software. This core distribution should fly high the colors of software freedom, because nobody else will do. And a fundamental software freedom is you can use it for any purpose, including making yourself a slave of corporations. But that should be a choice, and one that the distribution does not encourage by default. Now, the base installer is such a vector of individuation, as Debian 8 demonstrated by using it to install systemd. Systemd is free software, but we don't like it to be installed by default. Now we would frown at it and happily include non-free software in our base installer? I really don't see the point. Again, that people buy hardware requiring non-free software to run is a problem, but that problem does not need to be ignored and dismissed, it needs to be confronted and fixed. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng