Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:

>> That's a non sequitur
>> The ONLY, and I mean ONLY bit that's relevant is the one about licence terms 
>> - and that's *relatively* easy to deal with one way or another as the 
>> licence terms are there to be read (either there are terms that allow you to 
>> redistribute or there aren't).
>> Claims for patent infringement, DMCA infringement, and so forth can be (and 
>> have been) thrown at completely open and free software.
>> 
> 
>   Proprietary software is not encumbered only by restrictive licensing terms. 
>  Patents and anti-circumvention laws also apply that further restrict it's 
> use, or the liberty to reverse-engineer it or to develop and distribute a 
> compatible, functional free-software equivalent.  DRM and DMCA were already 
> used to restrict free distribution of derivative works, and claims of 
> fair-use exemptions were not always successful against it.

I can't make out whether you are arguing with me or against me here.

The first bit is correct - most proprietary software is encumbered by patents, 
DMCA restrictions, and all that stuff - I almost said "all that carp" but that 
would be wrong since both patents and (to a much lesser extent) DMCA do have 
positive benefits, it's just that the systems (especially patents) are broken 
and not implemented in a way that supports what they were introduced for.
I did not suggest that proprietary software wasn't so encumbered.

What I did say is that effectively any argument about patent infringement, DMCA 
infringement, etc is moot - since (as you go on to show) both can and have been 
used against free & open software as well.

It is the licence restrictions that are the problem. And as Rick so well shows, 
**ALL** it needs to include a proprietary driver is suitable permission from 
the copyright holder. Really, all the other arguments (copyright, DMCA, etc) 
are moot *IF* the vendor gives you a licence to ship the code on your CD or in 
a repository. If they don't, then copyright law alone stops you doing so.

Of course, if you do have permission, then you can start discussing the options 
regarding separate non-free repositories etc.

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