Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 14:26:49 +0200 > Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote:
> > Only a few WMs can be still called "bloated": GNOME (needs a mid-end > > GPU to even run, or slooow software emulation otherwise), > > There it is folks: The preceding is why we need a new word. Easy trap > to fall into. I hope you won't read this next bit as personally hostile, because it's really not my intent: Are you truly not getting this, or are you trolling? I seriously cannot tell. Adam did _not_ claim (in error) that GNOME is a window manager. He merely said that it's bloated -- which in fact it is, irrespective of what WM with or without GNOME hinting hooks you slot into it. o Current GNOME3 is bloated with the Mutter WM, the current default. o Prior GNOME2 was bloated with the previous Metacity WM default, though less so. o The MATE revival of GNOME2 is about as bloated with the marco default WM, and remains bloated if you swap in a different GNOME2-supporting WM (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MATE#Use_a_different_window_manager_with_MATE). o The Cinnamon mutation of GNOME3 is bloated with the default Muffin WM, a fork of GNOME3's Mutter, and remains bloated if you swap in a differrent WM. o GNOME2 was likewise bloated with any of the following other window managers that provide varying amounts of support for GNOME hinting: Openbox, Compiz, Window Maker, Fluxbox, xmonad, awesome, fvwm2, Enlightenment, Sawfish, IceWM... ...or any other... ...as was GNOME 1.x with Sawfish WM (formerly Sawmill) or with Enlightenment or Window Maker plugged in, in place of Sawfish. Because GNOME _is bloated_. Which is what Adam said. And even if Adam _did_ think in error that GNOME is a window manager rather than a big marching band of desktop software that is built around some usually unstated (or your choice of several) window manager, that would not make the concepts window manager and DE indistinguishable, for exactly the same reasons that the terms 'department store' and 'mall' remain distinguishable even if someone says 'I'm going to Westfield Mall' when he/she means 'I'm going to Sears', or vice-versa. Irrespective of whether you're not tracking this distinction or are trolling, Steve, I'd suggest it's past time you hang it up. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng