On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 02:43:38PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > Eric has never been the developer of a distribution, so there will be > things he doesn't understand. I am all for having as many users as > possible. I understand the problem of proprietary firmware and hope that > this is not a significant blocker for most people, especially since most > distribution installers do provide a way to download it (and we should > offer the choice even if we don't approve). This will not help people with > a network interface that requires proprietary firmware to run.
o_O But...Devuan has actually always included (and will continue to ship) both free and non-free firmware in all the installation media, despite many Devuaners are against this choice.... > > But IMO the main problems with developing a large user community are ease > of use and impedance mismatch between the developers and users. Many Debian > developers would not have been the best people to communicate with a naive > user, and Devuan does further distill that characteristic. IMO this is > self-defeating for Free Software. > Devuan has never had a border between users and developers. We simply call ourselves "Devuaners", without distinction, because we all use Devuan and we are all contributing to make Devuan a better distro and a better community. If you come to the forum of a distro, yelling that the developers have not understood anything, and that they must implement as soon as possible this and that and whatnot otherwise you will leave to not be seen ever again, what do you think the most probable reaction will be? This is what esr has done, and IMHO this attitude does not help to lower any existing impedence mismatch, irrespective of your name being Eric, Bruce, Linus, Alan, Richard, Dennis, or Ken. Nevertheless, many Devuaners took the time and energy to understand his point. But what they got back was more yelling, and more "you must do this and that or I will leave". "Developers" should be more understanding, you rightfully say. But those who insist in defining themselves "users" have no right to threat as servants other fellow "users" or those they call "developers", in no circumstance, and for no reason at all. This is not the right spirit over here. There are hundreds of GNU/Linux distros around, and hundreds of development teams to yell at. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ]
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