> Dear colleagues, > > Not to pick on Mark, but I have the sinking feeling that this > discussion is a good example of why some operators think the IETF > doesn't understand operational problems. > > On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 10:07:54AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > I said COPY. I did not say "THEIR OWN ROOT". A copy needs to > > be kept up to date or it ceases to be a copy. It becomes a > > snapshot. > > The point of this exercise, as far as I recall, was to solve the > problem that "junk" queries go to the roots -- things like .local and > .txt. Now, if I'm a mom & pop ISP being crunched by large carriers > (who are using every trick in the book to drive me out of business) > and expensive customer calls, I'm going to do whatever will make my > customers happy, right now, and get them off the phone.
Which in all cases results in processing the junk queries locally. > So I'm going to say, "What's the harm in adding the entries for .local > into this instance that I'm already running for other TLDs anyway?" > It will make one failure mode go away for the customer, and it will > reduce my load on my systems. You bring .local into existance for sites that are not using .local. The existing uses of AS112 don't bring zones into existance. They just *replicate* existing zones for local processing. > By telling everyone to run their own authoritative copy for the top > level, you are effectively telling them that they can add _anything_ > at the top level. No, I am not telling them that. If I said "run your own root" I would be telling them that. > After all, you just told them to respond authoritatively at that level. With the contents that they have copied from an authoritative source. "local **** COPY ***** of the root zone" > And since they have the authority > server at that level, who's to tell them that they shouldn't add the > extra entries? They can add entries today without having their own copy of the root zone. Having a local copy of the root does not change that. zone tld { type stub; masters { ....; }; file "tld.stub"; }; > It solves their operational problem, makes things easy > for their customers, and (since the point of this effort is to stop > leaking queries) doesn't harm anyone else. Right? Creating a ".local" changes the response. It also restricts future changes. > The harm, of course, will come when people change ISPs and things > don't work quite the same; or when they run into surprises by carrying > their laptops into another network with a disjunct set of these > non-IANA-root entries. This scheme more or less guarantees the end of > the pretense of a unified namespace (which is related, I think, > to the arguments elsewhere in this thread that such has already > happened anyway). That happens today. There are ISP's which feel the need to use a alternate root. Do you think they actually edit the local root zone or do they transfer it? Mark > A > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +1 503 667 4564 x104 > http://www.commandprompt.com/ > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop