On Wed, Jul 29, 2026 at 12:34 AM Michael Richardson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> Tim Wicinski <[email protected]> wrote:
>     > But I SHOULD NOT be allowed to
>     > synchronize unsigned DNS records from resolvers not under my locus of
>     > control.
>
> Is it:
> 1. that your cache should refuse to accept to synchronize over an insecure
> channel?
> 2. that the other resolver should refuse to send synchronization data over
> an
>    insecure channel?
>

Sorry I was agreeing that if you are synchronizing DNS records across
multiple providers, etc, those records should be DNSSEC signed records
only.
How the resolvers communicate is a decision they can make.
I was suggesting that if I control all the resolvers, I should be OK
with synchronizing DNS records not signed by DNSSEC.



tim



> It seems that we are conflating "locus of control" with secure channel, the
> assumption being that if you control a resolver that you can secure the
> channel?
>
> I can see lots of debug situations where it would be useful to yank the
> current cache over a channel for later debugging.   How that's secured
> seems
> a local concern; I can well see IP/v6 acceptlists (and ::1) being
> considered
> secure.
>
> So, I think it's really (1), not (2)?
>
> (I can *also* see situations where I might want to load a specific cache
> contents into a resolver in order to replicate how it behaves when certain
> conditions occur.  Debug.  Compile. Restart.  Up-arrow Return)
>
>     >> I agree entirely.
>     >>
>     >> We are dealing with Key-Value paired parameters, right?
>     >>
>     >> Perhaps an unspecified configuration (where the administrator has
> not
>     >> set key and value) must be declared by the RFC standard by
>     >> default. This would leave administrators the option to
> upgrade/replace
>     >> (should/may) choose to override each security parameter (key-value
>     >> pair), selecting from the approved list of values.
>     >>
>     >> > On 28 Jul 2026, at 12:26, Ondřej Surý <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > Absolutely, the draft should say that the backchannel SHOULD be
>     >> authenticated and secure. I am just against enforcing specific means
>     >> to achieve this.
>     >> >
>     >> > Ondrej
>     >> > --
>     >> > Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
>     >> >
>     >> > A gentle nudge is always appreciated if I take a little longer to
>     >> reply.
>     >> >
>     >> >> On 28. 7. 2026, at 12:38, Simon Jackson <simon=
>     >> [email protected]> wrote:
>     >> >>
>     >> >> Perhaps clear use of the verbs MUST, SHOULD, MAY, COULD…  >>
> Simon
>     >> >>
>     >> >>>> On 28 Jul 2026, at 10:19, Bill Woodcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> 
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2026, at 14:38, Ondřej Surý <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>> On 27. 7. 2026, at 07:54, Bill Woodcock <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>
>     >> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2026, at 17:55, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer=
>     >> [email protected]> wrote:
>     >> >>>>>>>
>     >>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bortzmeyer-dnsop-poisonlicious/
>     >> >>>>>>
>     >> >>>>>> I strongly support the effort, but would prefer DoT to be
>     >> mandatory, and DANE authentication to be preferred over TSIG, when
>     >> available.
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> I strongly believe the security mechanism should be a matter of
>     >> local policy >>>> (and implementation defaults) rather than
> something
>     >> enforced by the Internet >>>> Standard.
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> So far, the DNS does not even enforce a secure transport and/or
>     >> authentication >>>> for XFRs, so enforcing DoT/DANE/whatever for
>     >> something that is going to be >>>> mostly used on internal networks
>     >> feels over the top.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Sorry, I should have said DoQ/DoT; force of habit.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> I hear you, but I think that as long as we make security
> optional,
>     >> a lot of people won’t bother, and then a lot of people writing code
>     >> won’t prioritize it, and then it won’t work when it’s needed.
> Whereas
>     >> if everything is as secure as our current standards facilitate, all
>     >> the time, we only have a single build target and test case and the
>     >> most-sensitive traffic doesn’t have a target painted on its back.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Why should HTTP be secure-by-default, but DNS not?
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> -Bill
>     >> >>>
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