Hello Aditya,

On 28 Jul 2026, at 13:10, Aditya Ghosh wrote:

> I haven't seen Carsten’s reply on the list yet, so I would appreciate it if
> you could clarify the points he made.

please find my response to Ondřej below. As I replied to Ondřej's first email, 
it also did not make it to dnsop (which should be now fixed):

On 20 Jul 2026, at 10:14, Carsten Strotmann wrote:

> Hello Ondřej,
>
> thank you for your feedback. Below is my view and motivation behind 
> NTA-feed-zones.
>
> Keep in mind that I mainly see the enterprise / organisational networks 
> (universities, NGOs etc) as the target audience (because these are the 
> networks I see most as part of my work, and where I know the pain of the 
> operators).
>
> On 19 Jul 2026, at 14:35, Ondřej Surý wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I briefly looked at the I-D and I think this is a wrong solution to a wrong 
>> problem.
>>
>> If the need for NTA is so ubiquitous that it requires automated solution 
>> than we
>> are doing something wrong with DNSSEC that it became so unreliable that we
>> need to punch holes in it.
>>
>
> The reliability of DNSSEC is not the problem. In my view, DNSSEC is reliable 
> enough. There will always be some hickups, and nothing we will do on the 
> technical level will prevent issues with DNS or DNSSEC (same with any other 
> protocols). Humans are Humans.
>
> The problem is risk, and who takes the risk.
>
> Often when I teach DNSSEC, or when I try to convince operators to enable 
> DNSSEC validation, I see that the operators are not willing to take the risk. 
> No matter how small the risk is, there is always some risk in enabling DNSSEC 
> validation.
>
> We (in the DNS/IETF community) know the risk is minimal, the risk outweighs 
> the benefits. But for the operators, it is additional risk that they do not 
> want to take. This can be a roadblock for DNSSEC validation deployment (in 
> enterprises and similar networks).
>
> NTA-Feed-Zones enable DNS resolver operators to outsource the risk of DNSSEC 
> resolution issues. They can find a vendor or some other party, pay them for a 
> NTA-feed, and sleep better.
>
> For us in the DNS community, we can judge the risk of DNSSEC validation 
> failures, and we would probably never outsource the risk. But we have deeper 
> insight, and we can "fix DNS" ourself.
>
>> I would rather support Johan in his efforts to make the rollover more 
>> automated
>> and smooth than develop yet another horrible band-aid that we will have to 
>> deal
>> for eternity.
>
> key rollover is not the main problem. Yes, a key-rollover incident was the 
> trigger for the draft work, but the problem (and idea) existed before the 
> incident.
>
>> This community has really bad habit of panicking over singular
>> incidents and we are still hurting badly from serve-stale because of single 
>> provider
>> had an outage. This time there was a different outage and I would rather 
>> focus
>> on preventing large scale outages than adding more ducttape around the camel
>> to hold its burden.
>
> NTA-Feed-Zones would be optional (to implement and to use).
>
> I see a use-case for NTA-feed-zones in very specific networks (enterprise and 
> similar networks).
>
> I envision there will be never much "use" of NTA-feed-zones (in that there 
> will be NTA provisioned in the zones), they act more like an insurance policy 
> (you have them, but you hope you never need them).
>
> What bad outcome do you see when NTA-feed-zones become a thing?
>
> What can go wrong?
>
> What would be the negative effects of deploying them?
>
> I would like to be able to compare the risks and benefits of NTA-feed-zones.
>
> So far I see more benefits.
>

Greetings

Carsten


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