>    If anyone
>    is aware of tests demonstrating DNSSEC validation failures
>    without DE, I'd be interested to see them.

I tried this a long time ago with a server that would always return DELEG
records independent of the DE flag.

>    As for DELEG records with a parent-side signature: In absence
>    of an NS RRset (and corresponding proof of absence), the legacy
>    validating resolver is not aware that it is looking at a delegation
>    point. As a result, it does not apply any special delegation
>    semantics to the DELEG RRset. Instead, it treats DELEG as an
>    unknown authoritative RR type in the responding zone and validates
>    its RRSIG in the usual way for an unknown RR type.
> 
>    I'm happy to be proven otherwise. However, it is independent of
>    the discussion about DELEXT being too restrictive.

Assume a nameserver ns.example.com, it serves two zones, example.com and
child.example.com. Example.com has delegations to child.example.com with
both NS and DELEG. Both example.com and child.example.com are DNSSEC signed.

A legacy DNSSEC validating resolver is asked to resolve
child.example.com/DELEG. Because it is a legacy resolver it expects to find
the DELEG record at the apex of child.example.com. It send a query to 
ns.example.com because that server is authoritative for child.example.com.

ns.example.com is DELEG-aware and responds to the query with the 
child.example.com/DELEG RRset as well as the (parent side) signatures.

The resolver expects signatures from child.example.com and not the
parent-side signatures that it got and concludes bogus.

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