hi stas
as usual thanks for the comments. you are very hard to please, but that is great in a way because then im sure you dont want a mediocre site! Stas Bekman wrote: > > Allan has troubles again with Internet connectivity, so here is his new > > design and comments: > > http://www.apache.org/~stas/preview/allan_24_1/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > From: allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > what is new? > > maybe too much, but it still resembles thomas' original > > design and ideas i think. > > Yup, seems to be a little bit overdesigned :) he, i just knew you were thinking that :-) > The split logo is probably a bad idea :) agreed, but please look more at the idea of split graphic elements. i do like the idea of a left and right graphic element to balance the very top. it could have been the future mod_perl logo left and tt-logo right or whatever. > I think I liked most of the previous version of yours more hmm, im off course sorry to hear that, especially because i thought i integrated some of your thoughts. (ie, the toolbar, the clearly seperation of content, leftmenu). personally i cant stand to look at my old offerings anymore :-) >, but it's > hard to tell since there are many changes. yes i know, but at least this one is much easier to adjust/please os/browser-wise :-) > One of the things that strike are the bold font in the <pre> sections. > it distructs from the rest of the content I think. It should look > different I think but not that different :) well, this particular design needs indeed some attention with regard to things like that. i bascially just wanted it uploaded for people to see and comment if it was too far away from what we want and show some new ideas. > Nice titles h1-h4 > > Nice TOC section's white spacing, but may look weird on long TOC > listings with no children items. have you got an example screenshot you can mail me? > > 1) > > there is a complete new top located for a possible future > > logo of > > some similar sort as the one shown. > > this is nice because it seperates logo(s) from everything > > else and as a side-effect it aligns the top of the header > > with the top of the menu. > > but steals from the vertical space => more scrolling on short pages. > > -1 i dont think people mind (that much) scrolling even short pages. look at linux.com, microsoft.com, perl.com, they have even more top-space pre-allocated if i remember correctly. maybe they dont have short pages?, i forgot we cant always have the best for all worlds and i do like the seperation of logos from everything else. > > 2) > > the menu is the same but the text is left-aligned > > (i still prefer centered. i agree with your arguments for > > left-aligness but my eyes like the centered version, it sort > > of makes the left-area more at home on the page, now it is a > > little bit like it want to go out of the page (to the left)). > > it's because you are used to it :) likewise, you are used to a text-left-aligned menu :-) > +1 ok then, it stays left (: > > 3) > > the breadcrumb and header are now more integrated into each > > other, i think i like it but maybe its "overdesigned"? nah, > > i think it > > peps up some of all the docu-stuff on our pages. i mean it > > quite "dry" material we are working with. > > I was actully thinking to do it the other way around. Move the prev|next > bar above the title and move the page title closer to the the 'table of > contents'. Any reason for trying to stick these together? They don't > belong to each other. well, the breadcrumb and title really are close relatives in the sense that we could completely skip the title and put right to the breadcrumb (i a _not_ suggesting we do this). the reason they are so close to the top is obviously because it is the title of the page which normally sits at the top. if we move the toolbar (search etc.) _above_ the title then my intuition is that they are global, ie the search is global for the site, the pdf download is global for the site etc. i like the tightness idea that this toolbar belongs to this - and only this - visited page, ie the search is local, the pdf download is local and the prev|up|next is local (more or less, but at least not global) however i will try and see if i can integrate some of your thoughts ... > > 5) > > the words "Table of Contents" now clearly acts as a starting > > point for the content which itself is now colored (very > > light yellow) and boxed. > > on index-pages the "teaser"-text is unboxed. i kinda like > > that, but it could easily be implemented into the yellow box-area. > > I think that the title is the beginning of the content. i hear you and understand you, will look at it. btw, this background yellow color of the content can you now actually see it on your screen or should i try a darker color? > > 6) > > the footer is now similar to the breadcrumb/header-bar. i > > need to implemet the tail just above this footer (the one > > with the tt-logo and html-valid-logos etc) > > Hmm, you go for symmetry, it probably doesn't worse the effort since > most of the pages are very long so you will never notice the symmetry. > Also now you have to add another element -- the tail. well if you look at small content-pages it looks brilliant if i may so and it is only 35 pixels or so and we will have to a tail/footer anyway. i will try and integrate the tail so we can how that works out > > - more ads/books need implemented > > what do you mean? just that, like in the current design i believe there are _all_ the books in the left pane. thanks again ./allan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
