> On 30 Nov 2013, at 17:20, C <smau...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Robinson Tryon > <bishop.robin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> Hi :) >>> If we did copy the worst case scenario is apparently that we get >>> served with a "Cease and Desist" or a "Take down" notice.... >>> ... >>> Plus the chance of being caught out is very small... >>> .. >>> If we don't copy and DO the translations ourselves and the result is >>> much the same as the Apache one then wouldn't that be considered a >>> copy anyway? >>> ...so, i think that in this case it is worth taking the risk because the >>> chance of it being a problem is fairly tiny and it's very easy to fix >>> if there is a problem. >> >> (IANAL either) >> >> I think we should be careful about basing our policy on a quick cost >> vs. benefit risk analysis. If a licensing question arises in the >> course of our work, I propose that we try to resolve the particulars >> first and then copy code/documentation/media after we've gotten our >> ducks in a solid row. >> >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:45 PM, C <smau...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Unless otherwise stated, the FAQ pages on the OOo Wiki are under the >>> PDL ( http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html ). The PDL license >>> wasn't added to every FAQ page for various reasons that made marginal >>> sense at the time. >> >> Clayton -- Is there a way that the correct license could be added to >> those webpages and/or a note could be put somewhere online on the >> openoffice.org website that confirms the licensing? It would just >> make the whole process of verifying licenses before copying content >> much cleaner. >> >> FWIW, I'm not sure that the PDL is compatible with CC-BY-SA 3.0 (the >> license of the TDF Wiki): >> https://creativecommons.org/compatiblelicenses >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Qubit/license > > > The simple answer is probably... no. Adding an explicit license > retroactively was attempted many times (by myself and others) back > when it was all still freshly uploaded on the Wiki. This was always > met with loud protests and rollbacks (they would remove the license as > quickly as I added it) by one or two (mainly one) very vocal community > members (who weren't even documentation contributors). > > The best we/I could do at the time was set explicit licenses where we > remembered (eg all the stuff under CC-By that Jean put into the Wiki), > and we put the rest of the Wiki under a general PDL license (which was > also loudly protested by the same one or two community members... no > one else cared). > > The AOO community attempted to correct the licensing mess by keeping a > blanket license in place (and more visible) that serves the same > purpose as the blanket license that was in place when it was hosted by > Sun. > > So, as it stands is what we have to work with (unless the AOO guys are > willing to make the changes, but I think they'll face the same issues > we did back in 2009-2011). > > The PDL is a bit of an odd animal making it slightly more complicated > than it needs to be... a legacy of the Sun Microsystems days still > haunting things :-P Even if the PDL was explicitly stated on every > single Wiki page, I have a feeling you'd clash with CC-BY-SA anyway. > > Clayton > PS:I have no quibble with whatever license is given to the > documentation, and anything I personally wrote is free for anyone to > use under any license. >
Some info, though I'm not sure what relevance it has to a decision about copying FAQs. The English Math FAQs were definitely on the OOo wiki before the fork, probably for several years. I checked the Internet Archive from just before the fork and have taken some relevant screenshots from the FAQ pages. The first page of the English FAQ explicitly has a PDL license at the bottom, but none of the Math FAQ pages that I looked at (under the heading "Formulas") had any license at the bottom. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
