On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 19:09, Martin Spott wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 06:44:46PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> 
> > > DRI with Mesa-4.0.4 - as suggested for shipping with XFree86-4.3:
> > > 
> > > http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/Radeon/Mesa-4.0.4.png
> > 
> > Is the 4.0.4 screenshot from after I merged fixes from the trunk?
> 
> I believe so. The screenshot dates on "2002-12-13 18:04" (CET) and the CVS
> update was taken very few hours before.

I did the merge on Saturday the 14th.


> The most interesting thing (for _me_) is the evidence, that the picture does
> _not_ differ dependent on the X server I use. I can throw in different X
> server binaries, but the real difference becomes obvious when I change the
> underlying OpenGL libraries - wether they com from SuSE-8.1, from
> DRI/Mesa-4.0.4 or from DRI/Mesa/5.x
> This implies - as I understand the topic - that the Mesa libraries
> have far the most influence on what the user looks at.

Sure, 3D is only influenced by the 3D driver (and the DRM).


> > Well, it doesn't look that much better, does it? Do you really think
> > it's worth rushing in Mesa 5 for that?
> 
> To be honest, the branch with Mesa-4.0.4 is currently not worth talking
> about when it comes to using FlightGear. I built a _lot_ of DRI (Mesa-4.x)
> trees during the past months to have the impression that improvement is
> unlikely to happen here. So Mesa-5.x appears to be the big step that
> promises - for me - an XFree86 release that I would count on.
> 
> > Sure, the 'old' code has
> > problems, but at least it's well tested with all drivers. You can always
> > use DRI CVS or 4.2.0 if that suits you better.
> 
> If the user had to consider XFree86-4.3 as 'broken' because of non
> functional OpenGL support, so why should people use it ? These are
> disproportionate strong words, but I believe the 'user' will think this way
> once he has the decision to make,

What do you think the user will think about floating point excpetions
left and right? Not that that's the only new problem people have
reported with my Debian packages after the merge. In contrast, the Mesa
4.x code is generally quite stable in my experience.


-- 
Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast


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