>>It's also known as a large source of Warez... stolen software, illegal 
>>distribution of stuff.
>>
>>paul
>
>and FTP is also a large source of warez.....and so is the web.....it 
>doesn't mean it doesn't have any benefits at all.
>
>as it is, i think hotline servers can still be interesting, and are sort 
>of a modern incarnation of BBSs......
>
>if you use the main hotline tracking (hltracker.com) you will find a list 
>of perfectly legitimate non-illegal sites.....
>
>and some websites, such as Mac Gamer's Ledge, run cool hotline servers and 
>have interesting chats and discussions.
>
>whatever its downsides are, i think hotline as a service is a nice 
>alternative to ftp servers.
>
>-justin

Justin,

You (Justin) are correct.  I guess it is a matter of honor, then.  I 
don't want stolen software, I don't promote.  Your (everyone here) values 
may be different (and I'm not trying to be judgmental, but if someone 
obtains software illegally, or anything, illegally, they are a thief.  
That's a measurement of their character.  Yes, in college when I was 
dumb(er), I did the same thing 'cause at the time, it was "cool", like 
those moron 14 yr olds at the local high school with a cigarette hanging 
out of their mouths...  what you do in your own home is still (and should 
still) be your business, but bringing it here is bringing that activity 
out into the public eye, and into someone (Eric's) business.  Which 
means, no matter how unlikely, it is POSSIBLE that you are risking HIS 
business and HIS good name.  That sucks -- we should all be more polite 
as guests of Eric's and respect the LEGAL aspect of the topic here.  You 
don't have to share my morals, but you ought to be courteous to Eric.

As for Hotline, like most of life: it has some very good points, and some 
not-so-stellar stuff.  But they tacitly support software pirating.  And 
when you are trying to feed your family with your long years of software 
development, you will also have a different respect for copyright laws.

Not to sound too much like some right-wing wacko, it wasn't until '95 
when I finally had legit copies of the software I use for my business... 
growing up seems to be a continual process :)

[rant off]

Paul
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