The recent interest in whether or not the original (ie UNAET) East Timor entity will be removed has, finally, brought some attention to the one part of the "DXCC 2000" rules update that I (for one) was never comfortable with.
I've had it explained to me a few times, including once or twice by some senior ARRL staffers at Dayton, and while I think I understand the rational, I never -- and still do not -- agree with it. Consider that Deleted Entities only "count" in two places, at present (that I know of) -- your DXCC application & updates (be it mixed, mode specific, band specific, or 5 Band), and personal bragging rights. They do NOT count towards Honor Roll -- a good thing, considering the number of Deleted Entities that so many recent DX'ers will never have an opportunity to work (some deleted long before said DX'ers were even born!), else HR would eventually be a SK listing and nothing more. Now, I would (grudgingly) agree with the reasoning that a Deleted Entity remains a Deleted one forever. Which (again, as was explained to me at Dayton as noted above) is why 4W/East Timor is not a "reactivated" CR8/Portugese Timor. But does it ultimately matter, if you reactivate an entity or create a "new" one? Only in the sense that reactivating an entity means that DX'ers who have had that deleted one on file for however long doesn't have to worry about working it after reactivation... ie, those who still had a CR8/PT card wouldn't have had to work a 4W/UNAET station to get the "credit" for HR, just resubmit or whatever. Whether or not that is desireable would be an interesting discussion, if it weren't a moot point right now. [And... before someone says "Western Sahara," I should again mention that I was told that that reactivation was an error -- it should have been considered a new entity, not a reactivation of the old EA9/Rio de Oro. I must agree on this point with that individual, who pointed out that just because an error happened once does not obligate them to repeat it] Now: I suspect that the discussion may remain academic, as (based on what I have read and researched on my own) I do not believe that the WA2MOE/JA1BK petition to have the original 4W/UNAET entity removed has merit, nor do I believe it will suceed. As some of you are not doubt already aware, the petition is in part based on the original UN mandate to oversee East Timor, but subsequent documents expanded the UN's authority over & above the original mandate & superseeded it. Additionally, the unnamed (in the petition) ARRL official who supposedly admitted to an "error" or "mistake" has since stated that he merely acknowledged that the 4W prefix had been rescinded (and after all, wasn't it a temporary allocation to the UN anyway?) Therefore, I strongly doubt that the former UNAET, now Timor-Leste, entity will be removed & replaced with a "new" one. But that's my opinon, I could be wrong. (Besides, I'm MUCH more irritated to find out that 4W6MM's authorization to operate expired in March '02, but he wasn't told until months later, which invalidates my one & only QSO with him in the '02 IARU contest! Ah, nutz! Oh well, just have to try again...) 73, ron wn3vaw AJ: "Did you ever hear of Evel Kneival?" Lev: "I never saw Star Wars" -- Armageddon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Mari Minke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings All this all-time DXCC listings (deleted and "gone forever") has created much discussion. I made a comment with that honor to senior DXers, but this could apply to all. Many DXers work hard to work a new one. They are not blessed with super stations with super antennas. And, many do not use the aid of computer programs that do everything but activate your transmitter. So, if a country was deleted at least all their effort was for nothing. But, with the present DXCC standards it is just that. So, the guy who has everything won't miss it. There was a comment regarding DXCC listings with both all-time and current shown. Does it matter? My listing is high but it doesn't include that little asterisk like everyone else at my level. I know my current level. And, anyone else who looks at the listing will know that N6JM ain't honor roll. But, so what. When I finally get around to making the honor roll it will be without the aid of a super station and/or super antenna. Hard work! 73 de John N6JM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
