Oh?  I find that interesting.

I never saw anything online or in print about it until it happened.

Visalia is a very small subset of active DX'ers.  So are Dayton attendees
for that matter.

As far as the DXAC, well, I couldn't tell you the last time I _ever_ heard a
peep from the Atlantic Division DXAC rep, and I've been DX'ing for close to
30 years.  That is another story.

73

-----Original Message-----
From: David Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:38 PM
To: Ron Notarius W3WN; Dx-Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule


This rule has been discussed many times.  At the Visalia DX Convention for
example, Wayne Mills talked about it at length before a very large crowd of
DXers.  He even ask for a show of hands from those who would like to see
some new additions to the list.  The response was overwhelmingly positive.
Rule changes are one reason we have a DX Advisory Committee made up of every
day good DXers.  The DXAC was in favor of this rule change.  Maybe those who
are unhappy should contact their DXAC member.
Dave - K4SSU


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dx-Chat" <dx-chat@njdxa.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule


> Under the existing DXCC rules (aka DXCC 2000), there was originally a rule
> that permitted recognizing a new or existing entity if there was an
> existing
> IARU society.  The purpose of that rule, IMHO, was to keep Hong Kong and
> Macau on the list once administration of those two territories were turned
> back over to the People's Republic of China.
>
> As it turns out, ironically, Hong Kong and Macau remain pretty much
> autonomous (although not 100% so), so if that was the purpose of the rule,
> it was unneccesary.
>
> The unintentional side effect was the creation of several new entities by
> creation of an IARU society -- Ducie for one comes to mind, which followed
> from the creation of the Pitcairn Is IARU society.  Consider that at least
> one of these IARU groups was created solely to in turn create a DXCC
> entity,
> and appear to otherwise be inactive groups (if not total shams).  So I for
> one was not upset when the rule in question was removed.  However, as you
> will recall, the previous KH8SI group was more than a little upset, since
> they were in the process of trying to set up their "American Samoa ARA" to
> be another IARU society... which in and of itself is another story.
>
> So now we have another rule change which permits redefinition of certain
> entities into political entities.  Did we need this rule change?  I don't
> know... I never heard any discussion of a rule change either, it was just
> suddenly announced, and there it was.
>
> And almost simultaneously, application is made for Swain's Island to be a
> new one, it's approved, and here comes the KH8SI team for another go.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I have nothing per se against a new entity.  It's the process that bothers
> me.  I'm in favor of open discussion and debate.  Now I'm not saying that
> anything wrong was done... but I dislike an appearance of impropriety, and
> right now, there is (IMHO) such an appearance.
>
> In the future, I believe open discussion of rules changes should be
> undertaken prior to new rules being adopted.
>
> 73, ron w3wn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Barry
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:42 AM
> To: Dx-Chat
> Subject: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule
>
>
> Just wondering why DXCC changed the rules to seemingly create one new
> country for JA1BK.  I didn't hear anything about rule change discussion
> until rules were changed.  Reminds me of the Okino Torishima situation...
> 73,
> Barry
>
> --
>
> Barry Kutner, W2UP
> Newtown, PA
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