At 05:43 PM 07/30/2006, nick cominos wrote:
After reading a variety of opinions I felt compelled to add to the mix. While I have never been on the operating end of a DXpedition, the mere idea of allowing the entire ham population to call indiscriminately is atrocious.

I disagree. Opening it up wide gets the Big Guns out of the way a lot faster. I'd say maybe target by continent, if anything, but not go by numbers all that much.


Call area is one that I find to be the most rewarding for both the DXpedition and those calling.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Most recent example of this was last Friday night with Swains. They were going by numbers but with the band fading out, by the time they must have gotten around to 1 and 2 and 3, there was no more propagation to 1, 2 and 3. Conversely, they spent a long time in the initial go-around on 6s and 7s, whereas 6 and 7 would continue to have props LONG after the east coast lost signal.

Going by numbers is probably better when dealing with a big European pileup than a big American pileup just because the calls are so intermixed there, much more so than here where I'd venture to say a good sized number of operators are operating from the same area as is their call (4's in 4-land, as opposed to a 2's living in 4-land).

I think a better way would be to start out with an understanding of what circuits are open when/where and then target based on that data. East coast, central NA, west coast, northern EU, southern EU, South America, VK/ZL, Africa/Indian Ocean and JA. should, IMHO, be specifically targeted in a major operation. (and I stress MAJOR in this context).


Simply spreading out the pile up and using enormous spectrum is not the answer.

Good operators should be able to open it wide up first and second day over 10 to 15 kHz on SSB and maybe 5-10 on CW, max. I agree that there's no need to listen over 40 kHz for SSB. I still remember the 40m CW op on Peter 1, just kept going up and up and up and up and up and....Feh.

Best to let the guys who've put real money into their stations get their Q's and get out of the way. The DX station works the edges then wades into the middle and eventually starts working the little pistols everywhere in the middle.

It is a cultural problem within the amateur community and not exclusive to one continent or another. Those of you who understand won't require further explanation.

A good public shaming and temporary NIL will stop some of that. Or to avoid confrontation, just work the guy and don't log him. Enough DX does that and Lid gets the message when all of a sudden he doesn't get any QSLs from the 5 top DXpeditions he "worked." Maybe that's what it takes for the message to sink in.

Then the height of impropriety, as is the case for KH8SI right now, is breaking the pace of the pile up to talk with another station at length. These matters should be handled on another preassigned frequency with a Pilot station.

It's the DX's prerogative. Period. If they WANT to talk to their pilot (or their best friend, or wife or club-mates or the man in the moon) that's their business. Frankly, I just heard the exchange you obviously did and I gleaned information from it. I think those QSOs are very informative and give perspective of the operation to The Deserving. It also is a way to get news of the inner-workings, trials, tribulations, successes and disappointments of the operators on the ground.

Gone are the days when simple equipment, simple antenna arrangements and some "stick to it" allowed a new ham to work plenty of DX and didn't require mega bucks.

It does NOT require megabucks today. Balderdash. 100W, a modest wire, patience, skill and a few handfuls of sunspots are all that's needed to get one's country count well into the mid-upper 200s. I came in in 2001 with a TS-820 and a wire at 35'. By the time I moved to my present QTH last fall I was up beyond 250 (with maybe 10 or 15 of those from a nice club station with a multiband yagi). Most of those were made with that wire and increasingly-better transceivers (TS-570 for 4 years, then a Mark V, then a 600W amp on top of it).

A new DXer getting in today with a modest station would need a simple rig (TS-570 is an excellent starter rig, used for under $650 if you shop around), a modest antenna -- a few dollars worth of wire if you can get it high enough or scrounge around and be able to put up a small vertical or yagi if you can, maybe an AL-811 used for about $400 and you'll work pretty well anything you can hear if you have patience and learn the skillz needed. A broadband connection to a DX cluster sure helps, too!

I worked enough to earn my 5-Band DXCC from the old QTH in 3 years and 7 months, and it took me 8 months to get my first DXCC certificate. So Bravo Seirra to needing a mega-station to get a high country count. Propagation sucks on the upper bands for the moment, yes. If I were getting into DXing now, it would probably take me a little longer to get a high country count, but once cycle 24 kicks into high gear in a few years, any newcomers will have a pretty easy time of it.





Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT

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