I would like to address several issues in this little monolog that I've noticed keep coming up on the e-gold list and elsewhere -- some of this healthy discussion spurred on by Mr. Julian Dibbel of Wired Magazine. For convenience, and to prevent the posting of a "book" as a single posting, I will break up my discussion into 4 postings. 1.) The apparrent, current prevalence of HYIP & other Ponzi Scams with today's electronic GBC's. 2.) Current lack of "traditional" merchant acceptance of the current electronic GBC's available. 3.) "Cost" of getting into the currently available electronic GBC's. And 4.) My own ramblings on the future of electronic GBC's --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posting 1 of 4.) The apparrent, current prevalence of HYIP & other Ponzi Scams with today's electronic GBC's. The prevalence of HYIP, MLM, and such is no more or less prevalent than it is with ColdHardCash in any of the major national currencies in use today, and in the broadest sense is an irrelevant issue. For example: at several of the E-mail addresses that I have, the ones that have been around for over a year and that I use a little loosely seem to attract on averageTEN to FIFTEEN solicitations a week (how, I get on these lists I don't know) for participation in various MLM/Chain letter type schemes that usually say [to paraphrase their tediously long "hook" letters] something like "send five dollars cash to each of the 5 people below, move everyone's name/address down a notch (errasing the last one) and put yourself in the top position". I also get one or two of these solicitations a month in the regular, hand-delivered, mail -- you know that wastefull stuff on some material called paper that guys & gals in funny clothes deliver to you as they run around the world in planes, trains, and automobilies. Notice I said cash -- not e-gold, not GoldMoney, or any other electronic GBC. That being the case . . . no one harasses the Federal Reserve, or the central banks, or the governments of various countries about what some idiot does with the money of their country; and as a corollary suggest that the national currency in question (be it USD, DM, BP, Yen, whatever) should not be used , or is questionable because idiots and schmucks use it, as well the average Joe. And no one suggests that the postal system should not be used just because idiots & smucks use it as well as good, honest, hardworking people. On average I might get 1 solicitation every other month via E-mail for similar schemes that try to do the same thing using e-gold (I know others may get more or less -- this is just my experience). On a side note, these HYIP, MLM, and such are rampant on PayPal (maybe even more so than with e-gold or GoldMoney). In case you don't know PayPal's web site is www.paypal.com. PayPal has a similar dim view of these things as does e-gold, GoldMoney, or as any thinking person might have, and PayPal forbids the use of their system for such purposes -- but that doesn't stop people from using it for such. However, no one gives PayPal a hard time about the the various HYIP, MLM, and other phooey that their system is used for. Though people do get on PayPal's case for other reasons -- see link to another of my articles below Perhaps the reason people like to "JumpOn" GBC's at the slightest provocation these days is that the average person today does not really understand money. Gold evokes a viceral response --laying bare their misunderstanding, and its consequences, to their psyche. This errosion of understanding, in the United States, is linked to the errosion of Property Rights and the degredation of the U.S. Constitution; which occurred with vigor under the Reign of Abraham Lincoln (term from 1861-1865), and accellerated with earnest under Franklin Roosevelt's Reign 1933-1934 -- but that's a topic for later . . . I'm thinking of making a book out of it. I do have a bit of a gripe with PayPal, but they seem to be slowly (very slowly) getting their house of cards in order. For a look at my experience with PayPal, take a look at this article. http://www.gold-age.net/ldf/ThemeStreamArticle-01-2001.html None of the problems (non-payment, chargebacks, etc...) that occur with PayPal can happen with e-gold or GoldMoney, because with e-gold & GoldMoney there is no credit -- you get paid, you stay paid. Anyway, getting back on track to the topic at hand.. . HYIP, MLM, and such will use whatever payment system and currency they can. Their presence is irrelevant and should not be part of any discussion evaluating the merits and use of any payment system, be it backed by gold, silver, BuckeyBalls, or ethereal National Currencies of various countries. That's my Two-Cents worth http://two-cents-worth.com/?114958&[EMAIL PROTECTED] or more if you want too. PECB www.GoldCom.CC [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke & mouse- click "sniffing" trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html