At 3:29 PM +1300 11/19/03, Sidd wrote: ... >James M. Ray wrote: >> Can you prove to me that Via >> Mat blue seal 0100601 is intact by alleging it on the internet? >> No, not even ... > >You can prove it yourself Jim... look up the escrow agent's phone >number and phone him... he will tell you.
This sounds like calling-up JP Morgan and/or Transguard in Dubai (something at least one e-gold user has done IIRC). >He personally inspected it. Fine, but when, and how can I trust him? (Remember, we're trying to maximize expenses for minimal usefulness here, so you're going to have to bear with me if I hold you to the same standards as you're holding e-gold!) According to the PGP signed document, it was inspected in 2001, it's now 2003! IF I did choose to trust this guy, how can I know WHEN he did his inspection? Would he know a counterfeit blue seal?? >If you like you can ask him to contact ViaMat and verify it right now. I'm not sure what that would prove if I don't trust him, right? Heck, how can I trust Via Mat itself (or ANY bullion bank!)? I think it might be possible to fool ME, even if I were flown to the various vaults! I think it might also be possible to fool a "real" auditor from a large, reputable firm. It might be easy, in fact! >> I also think you discount the importance of personal reputation >> and integrity. > >No I don't. I have great respect for Doug, Jay and you. Remember I >merely said that I think Pecunix and Goldmoney are more serious about >doing things right. Obviously you disagree though your frustration >indicates this may be a sore point. No, you've elided the frustrating part. That had to do with your yammering about how the TOTAL failure of Arthur Andersen (& major scandals among other US accounting houses!) don't matter to you (um, because you'd prefer that your competition wastes its money, it seems). You speak as it it's irrational that I mistrust accountants now, and I'd suggest competition and not reason motivate some of your posts. Meanwhile, I keep not-trusting accountants, and nobody has given me a single reason why they shouldn't _drastically-lower_ their prices (to match their drastically-lower reputation-capital than e-gold's wonderful SEVEN EXCELLENT YEARS of service). IOW, it's less & less necessary to rely on all these un-trusted parties at their current prices. This may irk you, but it's true even if it's not particularly "fair" to late-comer competitors, but it is the result of a long record of personal integrity. ... >> Go read the user agreement, there are independent parties >> involved in the e-gold system, too. > >Ok, so does e-gold currently have a trustee or not? Did the existing >trustee resign or not? Who is the current trustee? Ask them! I see lots of rumors, but nothing from any actual person, so I have my doubts about the various rumors. ... >Ok, I don't have access to the e-gold customer service records, I >talk from personal experience only. Five Months ago I changed >metal-escrow to open2exchange... I have sent 3 messages (with >attached image) at suitably polite intervals to e-gold customer >service and Randy, requesting my listing on the directory be updated. >I think I also sent you one message... to date I have not even had >the courtesy of a reply (except from you) and nothing has happened. I >am sure I am a very minor customer in the scheme of things, but heck, >I am still a customer. Running that directory isn't a profit-making operation, even when exchangers DON'T change their names all the time. I'm sorry for your inconvenience. I am glad you finally-got- specific (now it's possible to DO something, rather than just yak!!) but usually the general allegations of poor customer service have translated, as Frank said, into an expectation for e-gold Ltd. to take the consequences of poor computer security/hygiene practices on a customer's part. ... >Many good suggestions have been made on this list about how it could >very simply be improved... ... I agree, although I'd point out that suggestions' authors generally underestimate the difficulty of implementation on a large, running system. (I'd include myself and my many suggestions in this critique!) I've never said that e-gold is perfect, but I'm not going to sit there quietly if you try to say it's not serious. e-gold is deadly-serious, and has been since 1996. That's why it's Better Money. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
