One thing that is really important for me, in a GUI tool, is that it can parse 
existing GUI code for editing. I always find it a pain if half way through prototyping 
a an app new specs appear and you can't go back and edit a GUI layout because the GUI 
tool only generates code. Well, you can but then you end up loosing any editing you 
did in between.

Florian Hehlen

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From: J�rgen Zeller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 27 June 2002 16:08
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Eap-features] Re: swing GUI development


Hi Pepe,

> I'm writing IDEA plugin for graphical GUI development. What do you think
> about? Is it valuble for you?
The success of VB was coming from the fact that it took literally 
minutes to get "something" going.
With Swing, you need a _good_ understanding of _lots_ of things to get 
"hello world" up+running.

I think that threre shouldn't be one, but tow IDEA plugins for GUI ;-)

o a "VB"-like plugin that generates lots of surrounding code, but
   makes "hello world" easy.
   This would be good for marketing reasons, but real progrommers
   don't need it.

o one "fast UI Panel designer" plugin, that really helps you to
   get some nasty layout (in real-time) right, including the
   resizing stuff.
   This plugin should export XML, and have one generator that
   generates Swing code.
   The generator should be pluggable, so everybody could
   adjust the code generation to his/her needs.

Like anybody else i've developed my own small set of "helper" classes
(stuff like "SwingMapping", "SwingConnectionManger", "I18nManager", ..)
and that requires some (minor) tweaking of the general code generation.

I wouldn't like a plugin that does both look (visual design) and feel 
(connection of widgets to code and vice versa), for me the "look only 
part" would be the most valuable.

Some random links:
http://radical.sourceforge.net/
http://www.thinlet.com/
http://www.guibuilder.de/
http://www.softbear.com/people/larry/javalm.htm
http://ise.fdns.net/freestuff/kappalayout/doc/index.html
http://www.autel.cz/dmi/tutorial.html
http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/articles/tablelayout/


Bye,

J�rgen
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sd&m AG
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Tel: +49 89 63812 709 Fax: +49 89 63812 490

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