If you can stand another comment from another `Catholic in Recovery'
On Sat, 8 Apr 1995, Jayne S Docherty wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, MS MARY T HALLOCK MORRIS wrote:
>
> > >From a former Catholic, here is my take on the situation
> > with the Pope and his feeling on birth control,
> > abortion,etc....
>
> From another former Catholic -- Amen. In my opinion, the Pope and the
> vast majority of the Church hierarchy have a lot to answer for and the
> Pope's most recent message was so distressing to me -- when I think of
> the influence it will have in many, many parts of the world where both
> the environment and the people are suffering from problems directly
> related to overpopulation --
Actually, it's been my observation that women everywhere are pretty
sophisticated about this issue. Catholic or not, I think the global
attitude is pretty much `If I could get it (contraceptives) I'd use it
and the Pope could go to hell.' My surmise is that only in the
`developed' countries do women have the time or energy to worry seriously
if their eternal souls are in jeopardy. In countries where starvation is
immanent and death a daily fact of life, women have a much more practical
view of the situation than the Pope supposes.
> Who *are* we to tell them to have fewer children to save the environment?
>
> So, while I disagree completely with the Pope on the matter of the
> "sinfulness" of birth control, I also question the assumption that
> overpopulation is strictly a matter of *numbers*. My one child is
> probably more destructive to the overall environment than several
> children who live in other parts of the world. This, in spite of our
> efforts to consume less and teach him the value and joys of living simply.
>
> Jayne
>
To use a very oldfashioned phrase, don't fash yourself my dear. We do
the best we can with what we've got. When one tries as hard as we know
you do, one's only alternative would be to move to one of those countries
and live like they do - but they don't have enough food for you so stay put.
Jacque
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>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Apr 8 10:27:01 MDT 1995
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:27:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Coyote1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jayne S Docherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Overpopulation Bugaboo
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On Sat, 8 Apr 1995, Jayne S Docherty wrote:
>
> I deleted the message about history -- the Pope and the King of France,
> etc -- before I thought to respond.
>
> Do you think that one of the reasons the Pope is so adamant about this
> now is because it guarantees an increase in his following?
> He certainly cannot rely on Catholics in this country or in Europe to
> "replenish and multiply" the flock.
The thought is scary to me, but I suspect that the current Pope
is a good-hearted man who really believes his schtick. And look, with
all the wealth the Vatican holds, he could probably last forever without
an increase in tithing. Besides, it's here that he needs Catholics to
lobby for his policies worldwide - how much real power would a bunch of
Bangladeshi Catholics have with their country's parliament much less the UN?
>
> Jayne
>
Jacque
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:13:56 -0400 (EDT)
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