Sara:
        Thanks for the post.  The next paragraph is sarcasm, so please 
        don't take it personal.

BEGIN SARCASM:  Is "chivalry" a four letter word?  On the opening doors 
        thing, I often open car doors for women, but wouldn't be caught 
        dead opening a car door for an uninjured man.  No complaints so 
        far, but I'll make it a point to check if a woman is a feminist 
        before opening car doors in the future.  (Non-feminists say they 
        like the courtesy just fine, and I don't think they're lying.)  
        What else can I not do for you?                         END SARCASM

        Actually, you're recommendation of getting a deep sense of history 
        is a good one.  It dawned on me that all the pent-up anger and 
        frustration women have is the same kind of stuff I've been venting 
        at management.  And for the exact same reason!  I'm sick of 
        managers (male or female, but all managers) rigging the system for 
        themselves, and then denying it.  Women are sick of men (weak or 
        strong, but all males) rigging the overall male-dominated system 
        for themselves, and then denying it.  In both cases, we're fed up 
        and letting folks know it.  (But in essence we're fighting the same 
        thing: domination and oppression.)

        I know that my furious attitude is damaging to my career (I can 
        live with that), and often hurts people's feelings who don't really 
        deserve the anger (I have trouble living with that.)  Sometimes 
        it's hard to distinguish the good guys from the good ole boys.  So 
        lately I've been bucking managers in general, to try to get the 
        point across.  Which I suppose is exactly what you guys have been 
        doing to me when I say anything that smells patronizing or sexist.

        Fair enough.  Complaining about the flames I've received would be 
        hypocritical.  And, frankly, I do have a lot to learn about the 
        history of my sexist ways.  But I think we need to ask ourselves 
        whether we go too far with our anger.  Anger gets attention, but it 
        turns a lot of people off and has the danger of escalating into 
        violence.  We reap what we sow.

        What companies have been learning about management is that 
        restructuring the system to eliminate layers of supervisors helps 
        people get along.  In other words, don't throw out the people, just 
        change their job descriptions.  I guess what I'm getting at is, 
        don't throw out half the population (men) and try to replace it 
        with a matriarchy.  Do try to exorcise the "diseased thinking" that 
        you talk about in men.  But aim toward a partnership at the end.  
        Because, ultimately, we do need each other.

                                                Al
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It's the Millenium.  "We must love each other, or we must die."

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