i've recently joined this list, and as i haven't been on the
     net long, please excuse any faux pas on my part--i've really
     been enjoying the discussions the last week or two, i just
     have a hard time keeping up with the volume of mail!!  my b.a.
     is in psychology, and i have a number of post-grad hours in 
     women's studies--unfortunately due to unforseen financial
     changes in my life a year ago i had to stop out of school for
     awhile, so this list is giving me the discussions i miss!  i
     am currently working in (scholarly) publishing--

     anyway, i have to reply, doug, to your comment about patriarchy
     weakening--i strongly agree with t.j. "until all humans are free,
     no humans are free..." -- besides, imo, patriarchy isn't just 
     about women not being *independent* (you said women are much more
     independent now than 20/50/100 years ago), but about women (and
     men and animals and the environment, etc.) being **valued**

     just mho--i'm glad to be on this list--
   

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