> "non-academics".  I find more of my theories and insights about conflict 
> come from the people I work with than from a lot of the books I read -- 
> although I also find it helpful to put them in dialogue with one another.

yeah, i think the connection between theory and practice is IMPORTANT. 
its the same idea as "the personal is the political". what i was trying 
to point out is the supreme imbalance i witness on this list, and in my 
experiences with academia...as well as in myself, being more academic 
than most people i know. and i think the process of finding that balance 
is something ALL of us should go through. i dont believe there are two 
separate camps of academics and activists(or spiritualists). i think 
neither is complete on its own. because i see "academics" for the most 
part bordering on vanguardism. 
and i see a lot of "anti-intellectual" activists, especially radical eco 
activists in many ways ignorant of complicated political dynamics in the 
culture.

while i think there ARE people who are more inclined to one than the 
other, i think that is based on our socialization into this dualistic 
culture....and by the way i dont think being "intellectual" necessarily has 
anything to do with academia.

> For example, your statement that maybe I have my head up my butt 
> presumably because I am uncomfortable with conflict, is not 
> something I have encountered on other lists.  It is quite graphic and I 
> might use it myself on occasion, but probably not with someone I don't 
> know, have never met, and whose views on conflict and confrontation I do 
> not have any way of knowing.  (Actually, I used the phrase just today 
> when referring to my fellow voters in the state of Virginia who are 
> probably going to elect the closest thing I have seen to a fascist as 
> their next Senator!  If Ollie North is elected, I will be embarrassed to 
> admit I am from Virginia, but that is another discussion.)

to clarify, this wasnt a statement directed at you necessarily, its more 
directed at the fear of conflict that i think is connected to the 
academic styles (as well as the class privilege) of many of the 
more vocal people on this list... and it isnt about being pro-violence 
really. its about respecting and understanding passion, rage and anger 
as vital aspects of our whole selves, and as aspects that have been 
manipulated through complex socialization to encourage us to use them to 
maintain the culture's power structure.....and its about trying to 
understand why as academics we tend to shy away from it in favor of 
rational, intellectual analysis..and why you want to decide "where they 
are not necessary"...... and how that is related to maintaining the status 
quo. (as well as silencing people who see the world in different ways, 
whether it be non class or race-privileged people...or someone who 
connects with the ideas we talk about through a thoughtful, 
experiential relationship with the world rather than devouring books)

the "graphic" imagery i used (head up your butt) is my everyday language, 
and really, im not interested in changing it so you feel more comfortable 
with your whitewashed mannerisms. im sorry you took it personally but i 
have a hard time seeing why the fact that we dont know each other makes 
that imagery somehow offensive.  

i also need to say (though this might offend some) that 
when i read what you said i felt like i was talking to my mother. now i love 
mom, but she represents a lot of things i think this list was created to 
challenge, and so i think seeing that on this list (as well as a lot of 
the other uptight gentility in the form of scolding me for my tone of 
voice,) is a sign that many of us are not ready to let go of some really 
important baggage. 

-anne

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