Watch out Chris, I as a woman, also mentioned getting a new listserv for women only and I was bashed for doing so! Bertina On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Chris King wrote: > >Anyway, what I am finding really really disheartening is the way that like so > >many other places in patriarchal culture women who are trying to explain the > >reasons behind desires for women-only space are being accused of > >"male-bashing." So here we are on an Ecofeminist list having to deal with a > >really virulent and unhelpful kind of backlash that is no different really than > >all the shit we have to deal with "out there." > > There is something really silly going on here. If you want private space > from men just set up a women's only 'ecofemale' server and invite all > ecofem women to join you. No one is suggesting you can't meet in private. > I support and incite it and have already said womens' only spaces are key > and ESSENTIAL to the Renewal. > > However please don't subjugate ecofem to your personal needs for private > gender space. All the good will in the world is being reduced to nothing by > typecasting ecofem as just another patriarchy. This will never further. > You are totally neglecting the loss to the whole meaning of ecofem if you > feel the need to expunge the men from this list. You are reducing us all to > knee-jerks. You are casting a 'death-wish' on gender reconciliation. > > Jake is a 'gay man' who contributes majorly to ecofeminism. He is not a > 'patriarch'. He hosted the Francois d'Euboone the very founder of > ecofeminism who wrote "feminism or death" and translates her works. The > fact that he is now being charicatured as just another jingoistic 'male > problem' just says it all for me about female hubris. > > If you can't move to the next step and save the world on your own more > effectively than this, please tolerate the other half of the human genome! > We all gave up genetic dominon with the protozoans in sacrificing > parthenogenesis. Now we have to learn to live together as sexual beings in > peace and some respect. This is a major sacrifice for all of us, not just > women. > > love and patience, Chris. > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Chaos is the Mother of Invention - Necessity the Offspring > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Chris KING, Phone: 0064-9-3737599 # 8818 > Senior Lecturer Mathematics Fax: 0064-9-3737457 > University of Auckland E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Private Bag 92019 > AUCKLAND, New Zealand. > > http://matu1.math.auckland.ac.nz/~king/Preprints/book/genesis.htm > "Genesis of Eden" - Alta Vista Search > > >
