Things haven't that much since I've left. Be that as it may... the list brought up
something earlier today that I'd like to pursue. It's the bottom line of why I'm here
at this list serve.
It's this bottom line... the meaning of ecofem as it applies to all life, not to just
us squawking humans and our petty ways.
I came to ecofem by way of deep ecology but not from Arne the man. I came here by way
something inherent that I knew must be real and true when I was very young. And though
I cannot put a name or face to it, I know that ecofem holds promise for all life in
the wake of legitimate human madness. Of all the human madness, deep ecology and
ecofem (both under the academic discourse of radical ecology) 'feel' hopeful, if hope
can be found.
My relationship with the earth, spiders, bugs, plants (big and small), knowledge of
cells, atoms, waterfalls, creeks, rocks, animals (wild and tame), and gentle human
beings of various size, shape, and color have brought me here. These life forms I've
found so much more meaningful than my family's insane bigotry or the church, schools,
and society that I grew up in and continue to live. These institutions have only
served to encourage my immediate family's bigotry, like a spray can filled with cfc's,
the early part of my life bred enviro threatening molecules that I, at the age of
maybe 10, inherently knew were destructive. It doesn't take a brain surgeon, PhD,
philosopher, or any label we choose to give ourselves to know these things. Yet very
few care to notice, instead
choosing to propel damned cfc's. In fact, our labels often give us cause to 'not know'
and claim ignorance.
I feel it's important to note that I did not come to ecofem by way of feminism,
although I have been in some of the most ridiculous situations with institutions and
men attempting to silence me, or refuse me a loan or other services (including
medical) based on my sex. I've had to thwart off physical, life threatening attacks,
theft at gunpoint, and other incomprehensible and quite common events of blatant
sexism. Why are women considered easy victims? I didn't become an activist through
feminism. There is an air of separatist about feminist activism. It doesn't fit into
the biological, ecological part of ecofem for me. Although I appreciate my sisters
(male and female) defending these things, I still consider the ways we exert pressure
in any form as human madness.
I don't want the definitions of success that men in my society currently have. It is
destructive. Joe, how can we change this?
/donna
joe dees wrote:
> At Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:57:17 PST, you wrote:
> >
> >Joe,
> >I just read your ugly reply to Nicole. In my view, you sould consider
> >leaving the list and joining a sex list or perhaps a male fraternity
> >list.
> >For a start your original post describing your erection had no real
> >value to this list as a part of any valid discussion. Secondly the fact
> >that you write that men get erections *deal with it* to Nicole
> >is ridiculous. Are we to accept that in answer to something Nicole wrote
> >that you dislike, you describe an erection (this CAN be taken as a
> >threat and how do you know that some people on this list might not have
> >been victims of abuse by men - how insensitive of you). What are we
> >going to see next
> >item 2 Joe relieving his bowels
> >item 3 Joe passing wind
> >item 4 Joe picking his nose
> >etc etc
> >Perhaps you could start up a website and call it "All about Joe"
> >just give us the URL
> >(I'll delete my copy) for frankly, your bodily functions are boring to
> >the list and you are just plain stupid to expect us to take an interest
> >in them. Your mental age must be really low - perhaps primary school
> >age.
> >GS
> >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
> Please have nicole forward her "hot lead simsex" post to you so you can see that it
>was from her that I got the (properly attributed - I'm no plaigarist:~) idea for the
>"patriarchy erect" post, which makes nicole's taking crude and vulgar exception to it
>so strange, since her post was the _model_ for mine. Has nicole informed you that
>she can't take another insult hit and is now getting you to do her incitement work
>for her? You're outta luck; I won't respond, except to note that I'm pretty sure
>that this constitutes a personal attack, an as such, is deserving of a warning. Your
>intolerance of my voice on this list is not my problem, nor will I make it my
>problem. The derogations and insults you direct my way, OTOH, should be your
>problem, and I trust that they will be.
> Joe E. Dees
> Poet, Pagan, Philosopher
>
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