Lesson One Never Challenge the big guns on this list (one of them being Mr Chris King) and show annoyance when a patriarchal male on the list apologises on your behalf and on the behalf of another feminist. THis patriarch then denies the his patriarchal motives and places a heavily qualified apology (really not an apology) on the list. He then partakes in abusive and crazy-making attacks on the other feminist by criticising her postings but send in her a pretty poem on the list which seems awfully strange (has anyone studied the cycle of abuse?) . As for Joe Dees, his attacks on Nicole on this list were disgusting. I choose to go back to the real world where I fight on the front line to save the environment. I will not waste my time further trying to explain why feminists should never submit to patriarchs or bullying tactics by males (as seen on this list). Good luck to all GS Dear GS,The message below is not appropriate on ECOFEM; it breaches the protocol. Please take personal disputes off the list and refrain from sending "flames" or personal attacks to the whole list. This is your first warning. Upon the third warning, I will remove you from the list. Thank you for being considerate.Stefanie RixeckerECOFEM Coordinator Date sent: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: ginger spice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: re:Ecofem is being journaled??? To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] King wrote: >Key points of what we say on ecofem have been previously documented >on the >ecofem archives. Well thank you for informing us all of this - a fact of which I was not aware. >Many of my position statements I have found on the >internet later for all to see not just Teri's class.Well lucky you >Jessica and Ginger should talk privately if they want to inhibit the >use of >ecofeminist dialogue to "permission only". I also have problems >with moral >imperatives like MANNERS, especially shrieked in this way in moral >outrage. I contribute to several mailing lists on different subjects and it is made perfectly clear on these mailing lists that it is politeness to inform the subscribers if one wishes to use the information and dialogue contributed to the list by them. I notice that you place lengthy and detailed responses to the list whereas others write more casually. Perhaps if we are all now aware that significance is being given to what we write, we would also be writing in more detail - giving more details and references as we chose. >Ecosystems do not have MANNERS, although they do have symbiosis. You are confused. This is not an Ecosystem but a mailing list. >I encourage any person on ecofem to use our conversations freely without permission. You are giving people permission to reproduce MY conversations without at least notifying me politely that they wish to do so? Does this smack of patriarchy or what? Perhaps MR KING should find a list more suitable for patriarchal males and leave ECo-fem to true feminists of the female gender. Don't we have enough male intervention and domination in everyday life without having the same crap on an ECO-FEM list? >I agree with Kristina and apologise to Teri on Ginger and Jessica's account. MR KING you have no right to apologise on my behalf or on the behalf of anyone else. How disgustingly patriarchal and patronising of a male to be spelling out to females how he determines they should think and act. GET A LIFE! Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
