At 9:03 AM 99/3/16, Elizabeth MacNabb wrote:
>>Would the world be a better place with 1,000 more of you, or >Susan, or
>Joe Dees on the side of change or would the world
>>be worse? Not only do we need each and every one we can muster on >board,
>but I believe we need ten thousand times more who are >researching,
>investigating, writing, arguing, clashing, consoling, >questioning,
>complaining, and speaking Ecofem. We need twenty >million times more who
>are actually participating Ecofem in
>>every media possible. Even then we would have far too few.
>
>Thank you Donna for your wise words, and Susan, and Jane, and Chris, and
>Joe, and all the others whose voices of reason/spirit have made an effort
>to keep our list together. I second you. We need every one of us who care
>about ecofeminism. Let's give ourselves the benefit of the doubt.
>Sending all good thoughts to you, --E.
I second all of this. The paper I'm trying to write (about ecofeminism,
deep ecology, radical feminism) feels like it should include components of
this whole nasty, angry debate between 'factions'. It disappoints me when
the left breaks up into diversity (various feminisms, environmentalisms,
postmodernism, etc. etc.) which we respect, only to end up in
catfighting...
I don't know about you but I came here to find out about ecofeminism. A
lot of what I've hear so far is mudslinging, immature whining. That there
are sexist people in the newsgroup - well, yes, Usenet and listservs are
written by humans afterall. The opinions we find offensive are disturbing
- reality is disturbing enough - but for once I'd like to see some kind of
defense other than name calling or 'I'm being kicked off the listserv - but
you can't coz I leave! Ha! (the old 'you can't fire me coz I quit')'. If
they disturb you so much, challenge them by education not ad hominem
attacks, but if they don't change overnight, then start a
newsgroup/listserv of your own, and make it invite only so you can block
out who you want. (end of rant)
Now that my childish rant is over, I have to say that I agree with Donna
and Elizabeth's wise words...
We do need every one in support of ecofeminism. For now, giving ourselves
the benefit of the doubt seems more caring, respectiveful and responsible
in the long run somehow... we should be willing to challenge our
presuppositions (especially if they're outmoded or insensitive) but we
should remember that despite our differences we are here because of our
belief in ecofeminism. Let's direct anger at those who are worthy of our
ire. Actually, let me just say 'ditto Elizabeth and Donna'. I'm not
articulate today.
(end of rant, for sure, this time)
Rachel
Yes, Yet Another Lefty Signature Line
~The Resistance Will Be As Transnational As Capital..."the collapse of the
global marketplace would be a traumatic event with unimaginable
consequences. Yet I find it easier to imagine than the continuation of the
present regime." - George Soros
~Nothing ever burns down by itself/Every fire needs a little bit of
help...- Chumbawamba
~Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. - Horace Mann
~You can hold yourself back from the sufferings of the world, this is
something you are free to do and is in accord with your nature, but perhaps
precisely this holding back is the only suffering that you might be able to
avoid - Franz Kafka
~The sociologist, in his quest for understanding, moves through the world
of men without respect for the usual lines of demarcation - Peter L. Berger
~Thank you to everyone who recognizes that there is more to a city, a
people, a nation, more to human endeavor than that which can be measured in
the terms dictated by the goddamn, so-called free market. - Guillermo
Verdecchia, 1993.
~Unless either philosophers become kings in their countries or those who
are now called kings and rulers come to be sufficiently inspired with a
genuine desire for widom; unless, that is to say, political power and
philosophy meet together, while the many natures who now go their several
ways in the one or the other direction are forcibly debarred from doing so,
there can be no rest from troubles, my dear Glaucon, for states, nor yet,
as I believe, for all mankind. - Plato's Republic, v. 473
++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal +++
++++ if you agree copy these 3 sentences in your own sig ++++
++++ see: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ++++
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Toronto, Kanata. Come check out my slowly-being-brought-back-to-life
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