Hi, Kerry, Here at MOWEST, our "new rules" (always blamed on 'the state') are that if we request motor pool transportation, then the vehicle must be driven by faculty or staff. However, "staff" means ful-time staff, and excludes any student who is also on staff (twilight zone). Further, if you are going on a long field trip (all day, weekend, longer, etc)., then only such "legal" drivers may drive. So, if a professor is taking their class on a field trip that requires many hours of driving, then that professor must do all the driving. If they get tired, then they either pull over and rest (while everyone picks their noses) then moves on, or falls asleep at the wheel. Students may not share driving to spell the prof. No matter how old the student is, or how qualified a driver they are. The impracticality AND lack of safety this foolishness imposes is obvious. Fortunately, we can still require field trips. We can elect to provide transportation and do all the driving, THEN do all the teaching, then do all the driving back (is this stupid, or what?), or we can simply say the students are responsible for arriving at the destination however they care to get there (kinda like we do for conventional classes: students are required to get to school and class by whatever means they can).
We are in the middle of trying to get the university to CLEARLY define its position on liability protection for faculty who take students on field trips. This, by the way, also extends to faculty sponsors of various student organizations like wildlife clubs, ecology clubs, etc. Higher ed in this country is rapidly evolving a culture where faculty are required to do everyone else's job, shoulder greater responsibility, for proportionally less recognition and compensation. No wonder the overall quality of undergraduate education in the US is slowly but steadily declining. If administrators would get off faculty's backs and let us do our job (teach), I personally think things would turn around. But, then, we wouldn't need so many incompetent administrators and their pack or parasitic lawyers, would we! Keep the faith, keep up the fight. Good professors committed to education are increasingly rare! Cary Cary D. Chevalier, Ph.D. Department of Biology Missouri Western State University 4525 Downs Dr. St. Joseph, MO 64507 Ph: 816.271.4252 Fax: 816.271.4252 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Kerry Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/13/2006 2:23 PM >>> This is a question for anyone who takes classes on off-campus field-trips. Our lawyers have been busy making life more burdensome in order to protect the college from liability connected with field-trips. I'm trying to find out whether they've gone way beyond the norms or whether everyone is in the same boat. The main question: - Can you allow students to carpool (using personal cars) for off-campus class field-trips under any circumstances at all? Or does all such travel have to be in vehicles driven by faculty or other 'professional' drivers? Thanks, Kerry Woods Kerry D. Woods Natural Sciences Bennington College Bennington VT 05201 [EMAIL PROTECTED] faculty.bennington.edu/~kwoods