Does anyone have a review of Biostats Basics by Gould and Gould. I am
thinking of adopting it for an intro stats for biology and medicine. I like
their hands-on approach, but would appreciate feedback from people who have
used it in the class room.

Thanks,
Johanna Kraus


On 10/23/06, Jeff Hollister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was going to avoid jumping into the fray, but . . .
>
> Count me in the camp that appreciates Zar as an introductory text.  I have
> not
> taught a stats class, but Zar is the text assigned for a stats class I had
> many
> years back.  I remember it being good at introducing the concepts and I
> continue to use it as a reference today.
>
> Another book that i like that hasn't been mentioned yet is "The Ecological
> Detective" by Hilborn and Mangel.  While not a good introductory text, it
> might
> be good as a supplemental book for discussion of use of statistics in
> ecological research.
>
> And since Stephen mentioned R...  I have learned most of what I know about
> R
> from Dalgaard's Intro text in concert with the more complete "Modern
> Applied
> Statistcs with S" by Venables and Ripley.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff Hollister
>
> p.s. I too have enjoyed reading this thread.  I don't know when this
> fascination with stats texts developed, but a quick perusal of my
> bookshelf and
> I count 12 stats related books.  I will admit to being a bit disturbed by
> that.
>
>
> Quoting "Stephen B. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Hello Howie - (I am one of the few poor souls who actually enjoys
> reading
> > "long rambles" about imparting good statistical know-how to future
> > scientists :)
> >
> > I can definitely see your point about the difficulties associated with
> > implementing the Q&K text in introductory courses.  As much as I do like
> it,
> > I have yet to adopt it in my courses.   However, I do like the fact that
> > they avoid a 'cookbook' approach, and present quantitative methods
> within
> > the broader context of conducting science (and thinking about what your
> are
> > doing!).  This is also a strength of Gotelli and Ellison's book, which I
> > also like very much.  In fact - although I only require one textbook - I
> try
> > to emphasize to my students the value of starting their own library, and
> > encourage them to at least take a look at all of the texts which have
> > previously been mentioned.  For anyone wanting to pursue a career in
> science
> > - good resources (and especially stats resources :)  are a worthy
> > investment!  I will check out the H&H book you mentioned.
> >
> > And I wholeheartedly agree with your aversion to teaching "point and
> click"
> > approaches to statistical computing!!  In addition to reducing error,
> > forcing the use of explicit code creates a reproducable and
> well-documented
> > history of past analysis (and data management).  I have incorporated R
> into
> > my introductory course, and have had very good success.  Once students
> get
> > over the initial learning curve, they quickly learn to appreciate the
> power
> > and flexibility of knowing a statistical programming
> tool.  "Introductory
> > Statistics with R" by Peter Dalgaard is a great supplementary text for
> this
> > purpose.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> > On 10/20/06, Howie Neufeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear All - the thread about which statistical text to use is
> interesting
> > > to read, and reflects, I think, the depth and breadth of statistical
> > > sophistication among us ecologists.  Those of us with a smattering to
> > > moderate amount would probably prefer a more introductory book for our
> > > incoming graduate students, while those with a lot of training in
> > > statistics would prefer a higher powered book.
> > >     For years I used Zar - it does have depth and breadth, and plenty
> of
> > > examples worked out. It's a great reference book too.   Others seem to
> > > prefer Quinn and Keough.  And I'm sure there are yet others who have
> > > their own favorite texts.  Based on my sampling, I think the only true
> > > conclusion is that medical statisticians write the absolutely worst
> > > texts and ecologists the best ones!
> > >     However, this year I switched texts to one by Hampton and Havel
> > > (H&H) because I realized that in my intro biometrics course (that's
> what
> > > we call it here historically) I never got to at least half of the
> > > chapters in Zar, not to mention that the Zar book is expensive.  Much
> > > the same material I covered in past years is included in the H&H book.
> > > But because its paperback, it has a greatly reduced price
> (~$25).  It's
> > > also geared for those students with essentially no a priori background
> > > in statistics, and my students like it so far.
> > >     I found the Quinn and Keough book way too advanced for the
> > > introductory student.  From a pedagogical point of view, I thought it
> > > was poorly developed.  It had its moments, but as a teaching tool for
> > > students just starting out, it would have been way to much for my
> > > students.  It too contains much more material than I could ever cover
> in
> > > my intro course.
> > >     Not wanting my students to have too much disposable income, I
> > > supplement the H&H text with Gotelli and Ellison's new Primer on
> > > Ecological Statistics, because I like their philosophy and approach to
> > > statistics.  However, they provide no work study problems, but again,
> > > and as Aaron Ellison has told me, that was not their goal.  But their
> > > discussions of why we do statistics, the history involved, and their
> > > section on experimental design are all highly readable, so I assign
> this
> > > as an auxiliary text for them.  I especially like their discussion of
> > > what Bayesian statistics are, and how they can be used.  That is not
> > > something most of even mention in intro courses.
> > >     Finally, we conduct a SAS lab each week.  Yes, I'm one of the
> dodos
> > > of the statistical world that still finds SAS programming useful, and
> so
> > > I inflict this on my students (If I had to do it.....! - no that's not
> > > the reason!).  For this we use Cody and Smith's "Applied Statistics
> and
> > > the SAS Programming Language".  I'm sure there are those who find this
> > > type of training anachronistic, but simply using point and click
> > > programs often leads to errors in experimental design and then
> analysis,
> > > which are less likely if you are writing the programming yourself.  By
> > > the end of their first semester, they can move on to point and click
> > > programs, so they end up with several skills here.
> > >     The main problem we have at Appalachian State is a follow-up
> > > experimental design course for our graduate students.   I would be
> most
> > > happy if someone who is teaching a second semester course in this area
> > > would send me their syllabus.  We want to set up such a course here,
> and
> > > I would appreciate feedback as to what we should include in such
> > > a  course.
> > >     Thanks for listening to this long ramble.
> > > Howie Neufeld
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Howard S. Neufeld, Professor
> > > Department of Biology
> > > 572 Rivers Street
> > > Appalachian State University
> > > Boone, NC 28608
> > >
> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > departmental webpage:
> > > http://www.biology.appstate.edu/faculty/neufeldhs.htm
> > > personal webpage: http://www.appstate.edu/~neufeldhs/index.html
> > >
> > > Tel: 828-262-2683
> > > Fax: 828-262-2127
> > >
> >
>

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