Are we just allowed to casually insult half the populace in a post here? In Clara's 7th, very well punctuated point, she wrote:
"7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented..." If this is so, I am curious as to what other groups are open to ridicule? Young - check. Female - check. cheers Chandreyee (a young(ish) female) On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM, malcolm McCallum < malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org> wrote: > Clara, I agree. > > To be marketable in the workplace you must have skills that are in > demand in the workplace. Its that simple. Too many students graduate > without marketable skills. > Marketability for grad school does not equal marketability for a job > out of the BS. > You want to get a job in ecological field? > Here are the skills I recommend: > 1. GIS > 2. statistics > 3. public administration > 4. env/wildlife/fisheries policy & law > 5. Any and all instrumentation involving chemistry, molecular biology and > micro. > > Why? > Everything uses GIS today. > Statistics are just plain required. > If you are working in the public sector, PA will prepare you for what > you actually do most of the time...paperwork. > policy and law is mostly what you will be doing paperwork on (permits > and permitting issues!) > instrumentation may pick you up a research tech post. > > Also, if you go into the private sector, every one of those areas is > highly marketable. > If you have none of them, you are going to have a rougher time. > Again, this is coming out of a BS. > > Ideally, you better have Wildlife + Wildlife Techniques if going into > a wildlife field or Fisheries + fisheries techniques if going into a > fish field. You might check the respective certification programs. > Anything ecotox will help too. > > Malcolm > > > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Clara B. Jones <foucaul...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > 1. ...assuming that your summary is an accurate reflection of the > *CB*article... > > 2. ...i am shocked that there is no mention of actual skills...most of > the > > traits you mention might be categorized as "intangible"...you need these > > skills to be a car salesman...not to impugn car sales-persons... > > 3. ...IMO, an applicant has a better edge if s/he brings something > > transferrable [marketable!] to the table that no-one else brings to the > > table... > > 4. ...often this "something" is one or more quantitative skill... > > 5. ...or, skill in a fundamental or "hot" area of research w long-term > > potential... > > 6. ...or, a grant... > > 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, > > especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others > > don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly > > generalist-oriented... > > 8. ...early-career applicants need to bring something "with legs"...as my > > Grandmother Jackson used to say...in other words, bring something to the > > table that can go somewhere [that the department and the > college/university > > and the field want to go]... > > 9. ...clara b. jones > > > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Helen Bothwell <helen.bothw...@nau.edu > >wrote: > > > >> In a recent publication in Conservation Biology, Blickley et al. (2012) > >> analayzed what skills are necessary for graduate students to be > >> competitive in > >> the job market. We discuss these in the Early Career Ecologists blog > and > >> hope > >> that many of you will find this useful: > >> > >> > http://earlycareerecologists.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/a-graduate-students- > >> guide-to-necessary-skills-for-landing-a-job/< > http://earlycareerecologists.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/a-graduate-students-guide-to-necessary-skills-for-landing-a-job/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Clara B. Jones > > Director > > Mammals and Phenogroups (MaPs) > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/cbjones1943 > > Cell: -828-279-4429 > > Blog Profile: http://www.blogger.com/profile/09089578792549394529 > > Brief CV: > > > http://vertebratesocialbehavior.blogspot.com/2012/10/clara-b-jones-brief-cv.html > > > > > > > > "Where no estimate of error of any kind can be made, generalizations > about > > populations from sample data are worthless." 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