Hi all,
I absolutely agree with *everything* Mark Horsburg says. I worked 3 years as senior scientist in the environmental dep. of a large Engineering & Architecture company, and the thing was exactly as he describes. I was desperate to get out of there.
Better salaries than in academia, though.
FdC



On 12/03/2014 19:28, Mark Horsburgh wrote:
I worked as an environmental consultant for nearly two years - hated it!
  The primary goal was to circumvent any environmental regulations so that
the client was free to do whatever they wanted with the property.  You were
expected to be doing something that was billable every moment, rather like
justifying every breath you took.  I hope to never have to go back to that.
Just my thoughts based on my experience.
Mark


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Malcolm McCallum <
[email protected]> wrote:

I found this information to support that previous email on consulting.

http://www.pmenv.com/Environmental-Consulting-Career-Advice

I hope this helps out some people.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Malcolm McCallum
<[email protected]> wrote:
A few moments ago I did an indeed search "for environmental consultant."
The search returned 4,362 vacancies, compared to the 721 academic
posts listed on the ecology job wiki.  Now, many of these
solicitations were older and had not been removed from the web yet.
Others, certainly are not appropriate for an ecologist.  But, the same
can be said of the 721 posted on the jobs wiki.

My point here is that if you are a doctoral ecology student, it
behooves you to take some courses in environmental
policy/environmental law/risk assessment/environmental assessment
before you graduate, maybe even a course or two in business management
or public administration.  The pay is often better than what you get
in academia, and you still work on projects that can be pretty
intriguing.  These will be very applied, and you will be expected to
beat the bushes for contracts I suspect.  But, find me an academic who
is not expected to find $$.

I've applied for a few of these in the past, I'm sure many others
have.  I get the feeling most positions are filled by MS level
employees, but I know plenty of PHDs doing this.

With so many people discussing employment opportunities, I felt it
might be worth mentioning this on the listserv.  It would be
especially interesting to hear input form those who do this kind of
work.  IT would probably be useful for the many people who are seeking
employment.


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many-faceted treasure, of value to scholars, scientists, and nature
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as Americans."
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1973 into law.

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Allan Nation

1880's: "There's lots of good fish in the sea"  W.S. Gilbert
1990's:  Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss,
             and pollution.
2000:  Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction
           MAY help restore populations.
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The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi)
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Commerce w/o morality
Science w/o humanity
Worship w/o sacrifice
Politics w/o principle

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