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> You have to give me a friggen break...you gave up on ECS because you
> couldn't compile our testing classes?
No, it wasn't the compilation of the testing classes. I gave up because
there was no useful documentation to help me get anything done. But I do
admit that it didn't fill me with confidence when they didn't compile.
Not a good start.
The whole Javadoc thing comes from a certainly more hard-core
programming environment.
I'd suppose a large proportion of web developers have not moved into
that field via programming. Rather they have come from scripting.
I myself have been scripting ASP applications/components for years now,
but I went the servlet route to make sure I didn't hang myself with the
Micro$oft rope, thus limiting my career options. Servlet technology
itself has plenty of good tutorials/examples and therefore I have
sucessfuly built servlet based database driven sites. So far so good.
So, I see talk about HTML generation, and most of it talks about
htmlKona which is no longer available as a standalone set of classes.
This leads me to ECS. On the surface it looked great, and I don't
dispute it's functionality, please dont get me wrong there. But in
simple terms I have to ask myself a question: "How much time can I
justify spending on learning a new method/technology/application to get
the job done?" The answer to that 'ease of adoption' question in this
case was htmlKona.
I am quite happy to send you the kinds of tutorials/documentation that I
found on the Weblogic site. They didn't bother trying to get me to read
the somewhat abstract API for their classes, they simply stated 'if you
want to do this, do this'. Even the book I bought , 'Java Servlet
Programming' doesn't bother to explain the API docs. In fact I've yet to
find anything useful from those things, and I'm not stupid, I've been in
this game for more than ten years.
So, to that end I make a plea on behalf of all us 'learn-on-the-fly' web
developers: 'Please, please, please provide useful documentation and
example'
To paraphrase: "If you give a man a fish he eats for a day, but if you
teach him to fish, he eats for a lifetime"
The htmlKona documentation taught me how to fish, but the ECS
documentation bypassed that and told be about bones and gills and
scales. A hungry person doesn't need to know about that. All I needed to
know was where to tie the hook and which river in which to cast it.
--
Simon Allaway - University of Chicago
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 2-7768
"I'm against animal testing. They just get all nervous and get the
answers wrong."
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