The 856 is not called "the transaction from hell" for nothing. It can vary by customer, by industry, and by whether the shipment is big stuff or little stuff, and whether it's international or domestic, and how many parties (carriers, brokers, consolidators, etc.) are involved along the way.
Sometimes there's one ASN per shipment. Sometimes there's one ASN per item in the shipment. In the Electronics Industry, it's common for the 856 to be "invoice-based", meaning that there's an 856 created for each item in the shipment, each referencing the same shipment ID. In Europe, it's sometimes one ASN for each purchase order in the shipment. So if the shipment contains 5 items, and 3 items are from one PO, and 2 items are from another PO, you get 2 ASNs. Also, when did my first 856, there were as many types of carrier reference numbers as suppliers. Some used Bill-of-Lading number, some used Packing Slip number, some used Airway Bill Number, and there were others. No consistency of any kind. So a huge challenge in each implementation was deciding what, for that supplier, could serve as the generic "Carrier Reference Number" and populating the ASN with that value. Regarding structure and hierarchy, you see all of these in the electronics industry: One ASN per shipment, Shipment-Item hierarchy One ASN per shipment, Shipment-Pack-Order-Item hierarchy One ASN per shipment, Shipment-Order-Item-Pack hierarchy One ASN per shipment, Shipment-Order-Pack-Item hierarchy One ASN per order, Shipment-Order-Item hierarchy One ASN per order, Shipment-Order-Item-Pack hierarchy One ASN per order, Shipment-Order-Pack-Item hierarchy One ASN per order, Shipment-Order-Item-Pack hierarchy One ASN per item, Shipment-Item hierarchy (each reference same Carrier Reference Number) Go see some pictures at http://www.eidx.org/guidelines/documents/shmodel.pdf. Then go take some aspirin. Cheers, @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- Stephenie Rose Cooper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=^..^=~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hunger also changes the world - when eating can't be a habit, than neither can seeing" -- Maxine Hong Kingston @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- @>-- ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Truax To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Good sources for ASN, UCC-128, BOL, etc Info Steve, That's been my experience so far, I was just hoping I was missing something. I just found this group, and I was immediately wanting to ask the great Oz the answers to all the EDI questions that have been beating me up all these years. ;) Thanks for the confirmation that it really is a big mess. :) Travis- -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:23 PM To: truaxt2000 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Good sources for ASN, UCC-128, BOL, etc Info This is the tail wagging the dog. The standard is supposed to support the business process. In other words the ASN reflects the business procedure. So the you may find examples of how the levels are usually structured, but ultimately that would depend on your industry and business. -Steve "truaxt2000" To: EDI-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: [EDI-L] Good sources for ASN, UCC-128, BOL, etc Info 12/20/2004 03:16 PM I've been working with EDI for years and have never really found a good outlet for detailed information about the relationship between an ASN (the different HL levels), a shipment, a BOL, etc. The VICS info seems to be lacking. How does anyone understand exactly how it should all fit together without more information? Thanks, Travis- . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $4.98 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Q7_YsB/neXJAA/yQLSAA/OIFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
