>what's the big damn difference between AS2 connections between multiple >trading partners and multiple dialup connections to multiple trading >partners' modems? >It must be simply that with the Internet (said in a breathy sort of expulsion) >we now can do it so much more quickly. And cheaply.
You got it. Is that not enough? >If I had 65 AS2 connections I'd still be dialing. (Well, not really >but you get the idea.) So tell me again what's so great about AS2? I get the point, but if money isn't an issue, why not just have sterling run the show completely? Why are you employed there? You were just a middleman passing a message to the people that actually did the work. Many companies like to have the ability to handle things themselves. Save money. Build employee experience. We have some employees that surpass our software vendors knowledge of their own products. I think the worst thing about AS2 is the fraud committed by the industry. Here we have an open standard, anyone can sit down and write an AS2 client after reading a few RFCs, but here comes the Drummond Group to take tens of thousands of dollars from us just to say "ok" you can use what you built. That pushes everyone to buy a per trading partner AS2 client for thousands. Same scenario with UCCnet. You could do it yourself with a few months work, and have more control over the outcome- but they have to "certify" that your system will work for tens of thousands before you can use it. BS. >And don't even get me started again on how wonderful (snort) XML is. >When Chris said "cluttering up the supply chain" he was right. I >still remain unconvinced; What do you mean by wonderful? I hope you don't think positional format is better than XML? If you just saying EDI works and most businesses use it, and XML is not used much so its not worth as much right now- That makes plenty of sense... >RFID? Nothing tastes good when it's rammed down your throat. -----Original Message----- From: rah1420 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [EDI-L] Re: Is EDI dead? --- In [email protected], "William J. Kammerer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is EDI dead? Has all that could be said about e-business been said > already? I dunno - I'm just asking. 'Cause first we had interminable > discussion about suing somebody because they had the audacity to archive > messages from EDI-L. (sigh) Bill, Bill... The issue wasn't with the archiving of messages, though I think you really knew that. The issue was with the plaintext display of the email addresses of the readership, which some people had a problem with. Ah well. > What about VAN consolidation? Does anyone use EDINT with more than > two trading partners? What about HIPAA? What about RFID? What's > going on with UBL? Anyone? Anyone? Class? Anyone? Well, we're actually doing AS2 with (drumroll) 6 trading partners. #include STD_DISCLAIMER I sort of agree with Chris Burns' observations. My fear is that EDI is going to become a lot more fragmented before it finally shakes out. Here's a classic example. Don't call me a Luddite, because I'm not; but for Pete's sake, what's the big damn difference between AS2 connections between multiple trading partners and multiple dialup connections to multiple trading partners' modems? Why are all the "EDI experts" making the welkin ring and thumping the tub telling everyone how great it'll be when we're all on AS2? Hint: It's not any easier to administer. It must be simply that with the Internet (said in a breathy sort of expulsion) we now can do it so much more quickly. And cheaply. Except for my time and the staff's time. But that's okay, because we can just send that work offshore. Over the holiday break, I remind people, we had to suppress our inbound 820s because we didn't want the 2005 cash being applied to the 2004 batch that ran over the holiday weekend. (No catcalls, please; we still run the Big Iron here.) Guess what? It took one call to Sterling Commerce; "Please hold our 820s until Monday morning." "No problem, Rich, it'll be done." Took care of -oh- 65 or so trading partners with one phone call. If I had 65 AS2 connections I'd still be dialing. (Well, not really but you get the idea.) So tell me again what's so great about AS2? Please? Is it the fact that I get to manage my own certs? The fact that I get to farkle with my own servers? Or is it simply the fact that I can now have multiple failure points instead of just one contracted service provider that takes care of all my requirements? And don't even get me started again on how wonderful (snort) XML is. When Chris said "cluttering up the supply chain" he was right. I still remain unconvinced; and I believe the vast majority of our trading partners who still use EDI will back me up. And some of them probably spend some not inconsequential sums of money on their EDI infrastructure, and definitely use EDI to spend some not inconsequential sums of money on our products. RFID? Well, as long as I'm on a roll, I could talk about RFID. Don't know much about it. Yes, it'll be a Big Thing. My guess? Wal*Mart is desperate to get their arms around their burgeoning inventory management costs, and they're big to boot. They used their bigness to wield a club. Unfortunately for them, the technology isn't mature enough. As I read on Slashdot recently, (observing that the accuracy is at about 60%,) "It's hard to make the case that RFID will help track inventory when you can't reliably find 40% of it." Oh, it'll get there, just like some form of Really Good Markup Language will be distilled that will make all our EDI dreams come true. But in times like these, it's a lot cheaper -- and more entertaining -- to be a "fast follower" than it is to be an early adopter. . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links . 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