Hi Richard,

>Funny, I couldn't find a single mention of 
>either webMethods or Gentran in that whole 48-page file.

Exactly the point, neither made the short list. 
If you are considering upgrading from Gentran I 
would recommend you consider other solutions 
beside Webmethods or GIS for your SAP environment.

You commented:

I need facts and opinions.
- Fact is the independent study by Daimler found 
neither GIS nor Webmethods are best for an SAP 
environment. They didn't even make the short list.

I need war stories.  I would LIKE to hear tales 
that GIS is great, that it runs rings around 
webMethods, that it's relatively painless
to migrate from G:B to GIS (well, okay; I've seen 
a Gentran:Basic map and I know that this isn't really true.)

- The independent eval says, "Seeburger is great, 
runs rings around any other solution for an SAP 
environment." It is as easy to migrate as either of your proposed options. :-)

- Gentran Basic to GIS is effectively a new 
install not an upgrade and this is strong 
justification to look at other solutions in the market.

You seem to be predisposed to go GIS but if you 
are willing to consider their #1 competitor with 
documentation and independent test data to show 
it's the best for an SAP user we'd love to talk to you.

Best Regards,

James Hatcher
Seeburger


At 02:23 AM 8/11/2005, Hurd, Richard [SLCUS] wrote:
>Funny, I couldn't find a single mention of 
>either webMethods or Gentran in that whole 48-page file.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:10 PM
>To: Hurd, Richard [SLCUS]; '[email protected]'
>Subject: {¤w±½ºË} Re: [EDI-L] webMethods vs. GIS
>
>Here is a recent white paper where an 
>independent Net weaver consultant with an 
>engineer from Daimler Chrysler reviewed the 
>various EAI / B2B solutions in the market when integrating with SAP.
>
><http://www.saptips.com/searchSAP.asp>http://www.saptips.com/searchSAP.asp
>
>
>
>At 12:22 AM 8/10/2005, Hurd, Richard [SLCUS] wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>We're currently running Gentran:Basic on Z/OS but with our inexorable
>>corporate grinding to SAP across multiple franchises, I think that we'll be
>>moving to a unix platform for pretty much everything.  It won't happen
>>tomorrow, but if I were a betting man, that is where I'd put my money.
>>
>>We also run webMethods (on unix) as a corporate middleware layer.  There are
>>some people who think that we should use the EDI capabilities of webMethods
>>for our translator at some point in the future.  I am not numbered among
>>these people.
>>
>>We have a current semi-urgent need to move our communications to
>>Connect:Enterprise Unix or some variant thereof.  Sterling was in recently,
>>and pitched this -- as well as GIS.  I was part of this meeting and was
>>frankly (and pleasantly) surprised at the amount of interest I saw around
>>GIS.
>>
>>I am now working with this team on presenting a cogent argument for moving
>>our translator platform from Gentran:Basic to GIS.   I need facts and
>>opinions.  I need war stories.  I would LIKE to hear tales that GIS is
>>great, that it runs rings around webMethods, that it's relatively painless
>>to migrate from G:B to GIS (well, okay; I've seen a Gentran:Basic map and I
>>know that this isn't really true.)    But I've only heard marketing and
>>sales engineer stuff.  How horrible is it, really?  Has anyone done it?
>>
>>I could say that I simply want to stop beating the "AS2/Drummond/waah waah
>>waah certification waah waah waah" horse, and that would only be partly true
>>-- but this is a looming need and a legitimate question.
>>
>>webMethods fans/foes/freaks, and GIS fans/foes/freaks, do your stuff.  Let
>>me know what we're in for.
>>
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