Orin, I almost agree. But Harold, you are way off the mark. Where do YOU shop? Home Depot, or the little guy on the corner. Whups, wait, there *is* no little guy on the corner. He didn't have the buying power to keep the prices down and Home Depot has everything; you quit shopping at the hometown guy years ago; he is gone now.
Walmart, or the family owned place a bit further out. Whups, never mind. They just paved that place over for a Michaels. You didn't blink an eye when they shut down because Walmart can bring it all in cheaper from China. You just wondered if you could get there in time for a good 'going out of business' deal. You didn't complain then, but you are now. That guy that owned the hometown hardware store? He's a greeter at Walmart. And he is saving a spot on the midnight shift for you. It is greed. But it is yours. And mine, Pete -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Rehorst Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM To: Harold DeWayne; [email protected] Subject: RE: [EDI-L] <OFF-TOPIC> Outsourcing = GREED Sorry, but the motive for outsourcing is COMPETITION. You must match or beat competition or your organization perishes. Only safe bets are to keep your skills advanced enough so that they can't be outsourced, start your own company, or work for the government (half joking on that one). Orin Rehorst -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold DeWayne Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [EDI-L] <OFF-TOPIC> Outsourcing = GREED Outsourcing is a result of GREED, pure and simple, sometimes even our own. The companies that are outsourcing and/or downsizing are doing so to (and these are in no particular order): 1) (investor greed) cut their costs so their investors can make more money 2) (management greed) cut their costs so their remaining employees (e.g. management), can make more money 3) (consumer greed) cut their costs so their product will sell better And sometimes: 4) (employee greed) employees expecting more money (e.g. raises) every year so they can buy more STUFF themselves and the company is not willing to pay more, so the company finds a lower cost alternative No matter how you look at it, the primary cause of outsourcing is GREED. I can understand that employers need to keep control of prices, however there are times when outside forces (inflation, also a result of the four kinds of greed above) force the cost of quality employees to go up and as such the employees DESERVE a higher wage ... to an extent. I lost a job to these forces, and as I've seen discussed lately, I agree this is not likely to change, although I'd like to see management absorb some of those costs themselves instead of leaving their employees unemployed. Before I get FLAMED, I know there are some companies where that has happened, but not enough. Companies as a genre care nothing about the employees anymore, and yet they wonder why good employees have no loyalty and jump ship at the offer of better pay elsewhere? There's not a thing wrong with working a part-time job (if you can find it) while trying to find a decent job... however that "part-time job (or two)" is harder to find than it appears and is more than some people are ABLE to do. I was unemployed for 6 months and took a job making LESS than what I was receiving from unemployment just to get off the unemployment rolls (and less than 1/4th of what I had been making in my programming/EDI job) and then ended up working 60+ hours per week JUST TO PAY MY HOUSE NOTE... that paid NOTHING toward "food on the table"... I had to withdraw my retirement package from my last employer so we could pay for food and utilities. Some people physically could not put in that many hours. I thank God that he gave me the strength to do so. I'm still in that position 2 years later and my retirement package is GONE. Now where do I go? Harold DeWayne The opinions in this message are my own and are not related to those of my employer (such as it is) whatsoever. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- And pray what is so wrong with that? There is nothing to prevent one from continuing the search for a 'suitable' position whilst holding and honorably filling a part-time job. At least that part-time job (or two) can put a roof over your head and food on the table, which is a hell of a lot more than whining will do. MCM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links . 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