Everyone, This is a VERY interest thread and one that has taken a different route than I'm sure was probably intended as an innocent reference.
Was it right or wrong to make the original reference, I'm not here to make that decision. I agree with comments made on both sides. But everyone is (or should be) aware, of the continuing, almost weekly occurrence, of another national news commentator, who is now relieved of their position because they said something that offended someone somewhere and paid the price by losing their job by for they said, either off-handed or by voicing their own views. I do agree with the following: We live in a country where freedom of speech is one of our founding elements. For the most part (and this is subject to a much greater debate than here), we are free to do and say what we want, without government or other censorship. Try doing or saying some of the things that are routinely stated in this country, in Iran or China and watch how quickly you are wisked away, censored or worse, imprisoned and/or put to death. Yes we should watch what we say in a public forum, whether here, our local newspaper, national newspaper, radio, CNN, blog site or anywhere else. As evidenced in this small forum, even the most casual reference of 'teen sex' or other potentially, emotional charged subjects, often have MAJOR implications and obviously can be construed in a number of ways, depending on EACH viewer/reader's background, experience and sensitivities. But perhaps the national and our personal sensitivities have now grown to the point where 'freedom of speech' is not so free any more, in any form. More often, than not, when one's casual reference or statement is made in any sort of public forum, others will bring to bear their own experience and response that can adverse to the intent of the original statement. And if you don't think saying the wrong thing (per my reference above to the national news figures) or perhaps in some instances, even being in the wrong place, doesn't have major ramifications, just review the case of Richard Jewell, in the case of the Olympic Park Bombing in Atlanta. Those allegations made front page news for weeks, if not months afterwards. He was cleared of the allegations, but there not was much of an 'update' publically admited if at all. But his life had been ruined and I'm sure that very incident had at least an indirect affect on why he died just 11 years later at just 44 years of age. At the least, each of us must now and should take a step back and more fully think before we offer even the most well intended euphemism or casual (off-handed) comment before we post or state or write it in any public forum, be in spoken, written or even video taped. And now as my boss regularly conveys, let's move on... ________________________________ From: Jayne Gillette <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 11:05:04 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Happy (Real) Friday! I have to agree with Mr. Frenkel that the reference to teen sex really doesn't belong in this type of forum. I understand the point Stan was trying to make, and I know he wasn't trying to "start something" by using that particular analogy, but we all need to be mindful of the fact that business etiquette expectations are the same, regardless whether we are meeting face-to-face or online. Picture a speaker making a comment about teen sex (or any other controversial subject) in front of a conference room filled with hundreds of men and women representing a multitude of companies across the world, and I'm sure many eyebrows would have been raised. There might have even been a "talking-to" after the meeting. We just need to be sure we keep our conversations professional, and limited to the types of comments that would be acceptable in any business setting. At 07:46 PM 1/7/2011, Paul McTeigue wrote: >David: > > > >C’mon David, your response is more than a tad harsh. > > > >I hasten to add that I consider you one of the >all-time great EDI-L contributors definitely >top five. A few years ago you almost single-handdedly carried the group. > > > >As parents of teenage children, we are all >scrambling to deal with the realities of the >availability of Internet images and the >ubiquitous generation and transmission of same >via cell phones. Our scrambling, however, should not devolve into witch hunts. > > > >Regards, > >Paul > >_______________________________________ > >Paul McTeigue > >Icefan Systemhouse Inc. > >Montreal, Canada > >www.icefan.ca > >EDI - Bbx - Web Development - SQL Server - VB > >E-Mail: .............. [email protected] > >Cell: .................. (514) 262-9591 > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Frenkel >Sent: January 7, 2011 3:41 PM >To: EDI-L EDI-L >Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Happy (Real) Friday! > > > > > >Stan, > >I might suggest this group stick to EDI discussions or at a minimum stay off >this subject since you are very off base in your >locker room comments. I sat on >2 child abuse trials last summer and I have >'tween' (pre-teen) age children. In >a neighboring school district there was some distributing behavior recently >along the lines you are joking about that could >land a tween in juvenile court. > >As I often tell aspiring comics, keep your day >job and forget about the comedy. >No response is necessary. > >David Frenkel > >________________________________ >From: stanley pool <[email protected] <mailto:stanpool1227%40yahoo.com> > >To: Emmanuel Hadzipetros ><[email protected] <mailto:ehadzipetros%40hotmail.com> >; Matt Brown ><[email protected] ><mailto:mbrown%40easylink.com> >; EDI Group ><[email protected] <mailto:edi-l%40yahoogroups.com> >; Dylan Hall ><[email protected] <mailto:dylanjhall%40gmail.com> > >Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 1:15:35 PM >Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Happy (Real) Friday! > > >Cloud computing is like teen sex. Everyone says >they are doing it. However; very >few are and those that are don’t do it very good. > >Have a great Friday and take the next 2 day off. > >Stan > >--- On Fri, 1/7/11, Dylan Hall ><[email protected] <mailto:dylanjhall%40gmail.com> > wrote: > > > From: Dylan Hall <[email protected] <mailto:dylanjhall%40gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Happy (Real) Friday! > > To: "Emmanuel Hadzipetros" > <[email protected] <mailto:ehadzipetros%40hotmail.com> >, "Matt Brown" > ><[email protected] > <mailto:mbrown%40easylink.com> >, "EDI Group" > <[email protected] <mailto:edi-l%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 1:07 PM > > It is difficult to demystify some of > > the fog surrounding cloud computing. > > > > Somewhat De-misted > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Emmanuel Hadzipetros < > > [email protected] <mailto:ehadzipetros%40hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Cute . with a 20 percent chance of rain. > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > > <EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > > [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > > <EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Matt > > > Brown > > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 8:08 AM > > > To: EDI Group > > > Subject: [EDI-L] Happy (Real) Friday! > > > > > > > > > Rehashing the subject of "Cloud" EDI before the > > holidays... > > > > > > http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-01-07/ > > > > > > Matt > > > ________________________________ > > > Matthew Brown > > > eBusiness Analyst > > > eBusiness Standards & Practices > > > EasyLink Services International Corporation > > > www.easylink.com > > > > > > [email protected] <mailto:mbrown%40easylink.com> > > <mbrown%40easylink.com> > > <mailto:mbrown%40easylink.com<mbrown%2540easylink.com>> > > > > > > Direct: 732-658-5419 > > > Fax: 212-999-7375 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > ... > > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your > > subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, > > <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, > > <OFF-TOPIC> > > > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests > > for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a > > prefix.Yahoo! 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