i had sent this note to bob hayden .. re: simulating a sampling distribution of r values ... assuming that rho = 0 in the population i know there are ways to simulate a set of X and Y data (i have one) with some specified r ... but, does anyone know of a routine (in minitab would be nice) that would allow you to insert some rho value ... specify a paired n size ... and then say how many variables one wants? 10 variables, 20, etc. ... so as to generate many many pairs of rs all at once (10 variables would produce 45 unique rs, etc.) ... from which to make a dotplot (for example) to get a feel for what the sampling distribution would look like? thanks for any leads ======= MTB > rand 20 c1-c20; SUBC> inte 20 40. MTB > corr c1-c20 m1 MTB > copy m1 c30-c49 MTB > stack c30-c49 c50 MTB > Code (1) '*' C50 c52 MTB > dotp c52 Dotplot: C52 20 Points missing or out of range :: : :: : :: : : ::: :: : : :: :::::::: : : :::: :::::::::: : : : ::::: ::::::::::: :: : : : ::::: ::::::::::::::: ::: :::: ::::: ::::::::::::::: ::: : : :::::::::: ::::::::::::::: :::: : ::: : :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : : : -----+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+-C52 -0.50 -0.25 0.00 0.25 0.50 0.75 MTB > desc c52 Descriptive Statistics: C52 Variable N N* Mean Median TrMean StDev C52 380 20 -0.0168 -0.0172 -0.0166 0.2283 Variable SE Mean Minimum Maximum Q1 Q3 C52 0.0117 -0.5772 0.6873 -0.1809 0.1303 NOTE: there are really only 190 unique rs here ... 1/2 of the N=380 _________________________________________________________ dennis roberts, educational psychology, penn state university 208 cedar, AC 8148632401, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/drober~1.htm ================================================================= Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =================================================================