see what happens when i ... usually about once a year ... post a note asking what value is there, if any, in classical statistical hypothesis testing? the discussion runs amok ... i love it! and we wonder why STUDENTS have a difficult time in stat? if we were to compile the dozens and dozens of responses ... and show them to a sample of students who were just about to engage themselves in the topic of 'significance' testing ... what do you think they would come away with? probably ... say WHAT??? somehow, and i don't what the 'some' nor the 'how' really is ... we need to get our act together ... and convey some unified message ... students are naiive Ss ... in the large experiment we call 'teaching them stat' and ... our treatment seems not to be working too well ... any ideas for new independent variables? ================ we conjur up a null for all around to see our hope usually to reject it with chisquare, F or t but let's say that we do beyond our critical cv so what? what has this told us? told you ... and you ... and me does the treatment work better? if so, how much i ask sometimes methinks this but a futile impossible task can our F help us? can chisquare save the day? or will we continue to enternity thinking t will pave the way to truth! to knowledge! satisfaction! we've proved our theories now but maybe all we've done is invoke this sacred cash cow we think there's magic in it we think science needs it so but all the posts ... from least to most makes me wonder ... do we know? to you i hope it's clear proclaim for all to hear on live t! and F! and toss in chisquare too but it seems such a drop in the bucket just between me here and you =========================================================================== This list is open to everyone. Occasionally, less thoughtful people send inappropriate messages. Please DO NOT COMPLAIN TO THE POSTMASTER about these messages because the postmaster has no way of controlling them, and excessive complaints will result in termination of the list. For information about this list, including information about the problem of inappropriate messages and information about how to unsubscribe, please see the web page at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ ===========================================================================
