the paper i referred to: 'the overrated importance of statistics in research' ... i scanned and edited a bit ... and put at the following url http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/introstat/overrate.htm now, this was done a long time ago and, would need some serious editing i assume to bring it up to date but, if any of you can use it ... go ahead Dennis Roberts, EdPsy, Penn State University 208 Cedar Bldg., University Park PA 16802 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], AC 814-863-2401, FAX 814-863-1002 WWW: http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/drober~1.htm FRAMES: http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/drframe.htm =========================================================================== This list is open to everyone. Occasionally, less thoughtful people send inappropriate messages. Please DO NOT COMPLAIN TO THE POSTMASTER about these messages because the postmaster has no way of controlling them, and excessive complaints will result in termination of the list. For information about this list, including information about the problem of inappropriate messages and information about how to unsubscribe, please see the web page at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ ===========================================================================