On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:39:53 GMT, Jerry Dallal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rich Ulrich wrote:
> > 
[ ... ]

> > I don't see much difference.  "Identifying predictors" by regression
> > analyses -- what is that advice supposed to mean?   The criticisms
> > of stepwise selection say that it gives you the wrong variables, not
> > 'merely' (as if that were trivial)  the wrong weights.
> > 
> > Am I missing something?  (I am not totally against stepwise;
> > just, mostly.)

JD >
> There are two issues: determining the right set of variables and
> predicting the response.  Stepwise can be deadly for the former
> without, I believe, being too bad for the latter.  I'm willing to
> recant if someone with authority claims otherwise.

I try to avoid the word "predict"  when I am fitting parameters
to describe a set of data or retrieve a formula - "post-dicting."

That's okay, if that is what you mean.  You are just talking 
about arriving at the minimum squared error in the fit.  Oh,
someone may ask, why not use them all?  In my experience,
I knew that there were supposed to be a certain number of
variables in the equation; so I hoped to recover the actual 
formula, by restricting the variables.

Starting out with pretty good hints as to variables and 
transformations, and some exact, tabled-up, results, 
I once used stepwise selection to recover a formula 
for the wind-chill index.  Another time, I recovered the NFL
formula for rating quarterbacks (and detected, with pretty
high confidence, an error in the raw numbers).

Right ballpark?

-- 
Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html


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