Sorry I pissed everyone off.  My argument is more relevant to teaching
introductory statistics course to non-stat majors who might not have access to
stat packages at their own department or when they leave school.  I felt that
teaching Excel is beneficial in a sense that they might actually be able to use
what they learned since Excel's more readily available.  I also found that I
had next to no time to cover the software while I was teaching intro stat
course.

I understand that it's very important for many of you to teach stat package
because it's what you are familiar with and you have access to it.  (The stat
dept I belonged to didn't have the budget for a decent computer lab so I always
had to come up with ways to work around with the lack of resources.) I
apologize for being practical.  I myself is now a SAS professional but I think
differently if I am teaching.

Ken

>this is about the most irrelevant argument i have heard ... as though the 
>only stat package is SAS ...
>
>there are many excellent stat packages ... even their "student" trimmed 
>down versions are better that excel add ons ...
>
>and, hundreds of institutions have cheap software purchase options ...
>
>at penn state for example ... the full package of minitab is about 90 bucks 
>... that's not bad for an excellent tool that will serve one's analysis 
>needs well
>
>in addition, students could go to http://www.e-academy.com ... and find 
>that they could lease minitab for 6 months for 26 bucks ... or a year for 
>50 bucks ...
>
>i challenge any person to try a real package (doesn't have to be minitab) 
>and see what you can do and THEN gravitate back to excel's add ons ...
>
>finally, i find the implied notion below that what we need are "free" 
>things ... and that's the way to go ... as the way to operate ... to be 
>professionally appalling ...
>
>most institutions SHOULD have a good statistical package on their lab 
>systems ... so, students can learn with a good tool
>
>then, when and if they decide that they would like that tool (or another) 
>in their professional array of tools ... THEN they could shop around and 
>look for some stat package that is within their own or their employer's reach
>
>the bottom line here seems to be:
>
>since excel is free ... and around ... use it. even though we know that it 
>was never designed to be a good full serviced package in statistics and 
>graphics
>
>we do our students a huge DISservice when we knowingly push tools (just 
>because they are cheap or free) RATHER than introduce them to better more 
>useful resources
>
>serious companies and institutions and agencies ... DON'T use excel to do 
>their mainline statistical work ...
>
>At 03:58 AM 1/9/02 +0000, you wrote:
>>Why bother teaching students SAS if nobody can afford their annual license 
>>fee?
>>  Spreadsheets works because many people owns MS Office and chances of their
>>using skills learned in class is greater.
>>
>>Ken





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